Robson, Safechuck file claim of abuse with estate

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Re: Robson, Safechuck file claim of abuse with estate

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Weitzman's statement on the media's claim that Robson's and Safechuck's lawsuits have been "revived".
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For anyone confused about Weitzman's statement, he is referring to the original court cases filed against the estate (separate from the ones against the MJJ companies).
Neither party appealed the original estate cases, those are final. The company ones go back to trial court.

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Re: Robson, Safechuck file claim of abuse with estate

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Justice for The Falsely Accused
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Yes, beyond the impossibility of the train station thing, all those locations Safechuck claimed were busy as hell. The castle. It's the area with the rides next to it. Supposedly MJ set up alarms in his bedroom to not get caught but then takes James to areas like this to molest?

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All these recorded voicemails Wade and James have from MJ and both of them claiming they discussed sex abuse over the phone with him several times including Michael threatening James and coaching them repeatedly YET SOMEHOW NO RECORDINGS of these calls exist

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Evvy Depo: MJ was HARDLY EVER THERE but JS & HIS PARENTS would go to ranch & I'd make those arrangements for them. &...JS came into the office to sign some papers because MJ had gifted him a car.

✔ MJ rarely at ranch with JS.
✔ Parents included.
✔ MJ remainded generous to JS.

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"The documentary focuses on the detailed testimony of two men..."
100s of multi-take clips spanning 17 months of filming and 2 years of editing is NOT testimony.
Testimony was when Wade credibly endured 11 rounds of sworn examinations in the 05 trial.

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In Wade's 2016 deposition, he tried claiming he lied in 05 because of "fears" from age 7 that "both of us would go to jail."
However, Wade conceded in his court-approved mental evaluation that, at age 22, he did not still believe he'd go to jail if he testified he was abused.

Not to forget all of Wade's other evolving explanations for the hours of sworn testimony in 2005 in which he denied every allegation of misconduct by MJ.
-That he didn't consider it abuse.
-That his career would be over if he said anything.
-That he felt sorry for MJ's children.

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Also not mentioned was a man implied heavily as a "victim" Brett Barnes was never spoken to because the filmmaker knew Brett would have defended Jackson. And how another man harassed so much by Robson and Safechuck's lawyers he had to hire his own for them to leave him alone

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At the start of Wade's 2016 deposition, he's asked if the hours spent w/ Finaldi + reviewing documents helped refresh his recollection of the past.
Wade boasted: "I didn't need them to."
Within the 1st hour, here are two dozen details he couldn't remember.

Didn't remember when his mother started working on her own book.
• Didn't remember if or when he disclosed to his mother he was writing a book.
• Didn't remember if his mother ever provided him drafts of her own book.

Note how these are mostly questions based around 2012-2013. A year's time in the recent past.

Yet he also claims he never forgot one minute of what happened to him from age 7 on. But he also told his mother he didn't remember a lot of details. And claims his memories evolved

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Mr/s R. D. Smith
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So let's not forget... Thanks to Dan Reed excusing the liar, we're supposed to believe Michael Jackson was bouncing this 6ft-odd, pink-umbrella-carrying, 17-year-old on his knee, inside a time-travelling train station...

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Wade's main contact in his book efforts was Alan Nevins.
Wade says he never discussed money. The estate spoke to Nevins who said Wade "demanded a large amount of money."
Nevins also supplied emails to estate which further establish a paper trail of Wade's book shopping efforts.

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Detailed thread soon about Gary Hearne, another witness Finaldi deposed who offered nothing but exculpatory testimony toward MJ.
Sharing this bit separately since it also dispels Wade/James myth of MJ not being concerned w/ school. MJ helped kids w/ school when parents wouldn't.

Hearne was MJ's longtime chauffeur. His 1994 deposition/testimony was grossly misrepresented across many books and media headlines for 25+ years.

One of the most common claims attributed to Hearne (MJFacts, Dimond & other guilt-driven sources) is that he was ordered to remove briefcase(s) from a raided property with the implication that he concealed evidence.
Here's a sample of how this claim grew legs across the decades.

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Before diving into these long-spread falsities, here are other key takeaways.

Hearne disbelieves Wade's allegations and told Finaldi that such claims "always ran counter to my impression of MJ from being w/ him for such long periods of time...daily basis...being very close..."

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Finaldi asked Hearne about photos specifically of unrelated children at Neverland.
Hearne explained: "Some were in his family. Some were friends of his that I had met myself...whole top of [piano] was covered...in portrait style of children, of grown-ups, of people in his life."

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Finaldi brought up LMP, questioning Hearne about her relationship w/ MJ (to suggest it was all a ruse).
Hearne said they were long-term friends, regularly with each other, he saw them kiss in the back seat, took them to private dinners etc. Their marriage didn't surprise him.

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Finaldi implied Hearne hauled kids to MJ. Hearne explained he transported kids w/ their parents as well as other adults regularly to visit MJ.
FINALDI: It's no secret that he had kids with him all the time?
HEARNE: No, not all the time.
Also kids were often there without MJ.

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Finaldi suggested MJ always had at least one or more kids present, and that it would be very rare for him to not have some kid present.
Hearne rebuked this, saying that at least more than half the time there were no kids present and at other times many kids but MJ wasn't around.

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Hearne recalled only two specific times of driving Wade and his family or friends (a single trip to-and-from Neverland).
It was Wade, Joy & friends when Wade was 16-20 years old, when he was teaching dance classes at a studio. Hearne said MJ wasn't at the ranch on this occasion.

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Hearne remembered regularly driving MJ's nephews and other relatives, as well as Barnes and Mac (as an adult).
Finaldi asked Hearne if MJ ever was in the back of the limo w/ kids & the privacy glass up.
Hearne responded "Not that I recall... He seldom had that screen up."

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At one point during questioning, the estate lawyers ask Finaldi to show Hearne the transcripts from 23 years prior to refresh Hearne's memory.
Finaldi goes into a tirade over that remark.
ESTATE: "manifestly unfair...If you wanted to get to the truth, you would show it to him."

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To be continued

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Finaldi asked about a "secret door that led to another room from MJ's closet."
Hearne didn't know what he was referring to. Finaldi expresses disbelief.
Estate lawyer retorted: "We don't believe everything we read on Radar Online...I know it's not going well, but continue."

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Hearne again clarified, over Finaldi's repeated attempts of portraying MJ of being purely boy-obsessed, that girls were certainly in the picture as well.
Hearne recalled both boy and girl mannequins and both boys and girls being over at Neverland.

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Finaldi then grilled Hearnes about shopping for toys and gifts for kids.
Hearnes explained: "MJ was doing it because they loved to shop for toys...not just kids, but adults...friends of his and business associates...he'd have me buy presents for them or he'd have delivered..."

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Finaldi asked about the jewelry MJ bought for June.
Hearne explained how MJ "wanted to give presents as he often did...He [saw] a Tiffany's ad...they were about to take a trip or June was it was kind of like a special occasion so he wanted to buy something really nice for her."

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Finaldi then drudges up the headline-grabbing remark from Hearne's original testimony of taking MJ to Chandler's for 30 days straight.
Hearne clarifies this: "I was asked my best estimate...I didn't know. I was working 7 days a week and the days just kind of ran together."

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Finaldi then zeroed in on whether Hearne ever saw MJ make physical contact with Jordan.
Hearne described the type of innocuous contact he may had seen, adding: "If it was something that was inappropriate or in a sexual way, I would have remembered that and I have no such memory.

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Finaldi questioned Hearne about tabloid fodder including stories drummed up by Hard Copy/NL5/Havenhurst 5 suggesting MJ would hide children in the back of limos to sneak onto the property & have protocol relating to this.
Hearne has no recollection of anything like that at all.

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The deposition goes on and on with Finaldi trying to catch Hearne out but never manages it. Just trying to make some kind of pattern which would make things look suspicious to aid Robson and Safechuck's case.



Finaldi asked Hearne about nicknames MJ would give to friends. Hearne said MJ would call a lot of his friends either Applehead and Rubba or Rubber Head.
In the end, Hearne reiterated that he believes Wade Robson is making up the allegations.
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What is interesting to note (as MJ's estates did throughout the deposition) is that almost no questions related to Wade or James specifically.
Virtually all of Finaldi's questions were about the Chandler allegations and old tabloid rumors. This is Finaldi clutching at straws.
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Here are two of the most case-destroying quotes from Wade in his 2012 book. This was before he thought he could get much more $ from estate settlement and was merely shopping a book deal.
Back then Wade declared that the true enablers of "abuse" were his parents--especially Joy.

Wade's 2012 book, page 35.
"...endorsement by my parents...of whatever was to go on inside of that lion's den. My mother and father unequivocally showed me, by way of allowing me to sleep in his bed and by leaving me alone with him for five days, that MJ was a man to trust."
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Wade's 2012 book, page 45.
"During these trips I was still wetting the bed... MJ would wake up while I was still sleeping, remove all my wet clothes, underwear & all, wipe me down with a towel, put dry pajamas on me...& then go back to sleep. He told Joy that he would do this."
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Notice how in Wade's 2012 book he includes the line that MJ "told [Joy] he would [change me]."
But in Wade's civil lawsuit he entirely omits mention of Joy purportedly knowing this detail at any time. In LN this story is not elaborated either.
Wade's words are his undoing.
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Another peculiarity is that in the lawsuit version of this bed-wetting story, Wade streches the bed-wetting until age 14 (same age he alleges abuse stopped) and MJ would change him while he slept through it. Wade was 5' 11" mature teenager at age 14, per his own admission in LN.

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In 2013, Wade's prior attorney (Marzano) spoke to media after the original falsified "secret FBI files—24 boys paid off" BS spread from the UK.
Marzano claimed this tabloid fodder (via Barresi and made-up items based on LeMarque's pay-to-say crap) confirmed Wade's allegations.
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The original story was debunked & dismissed as utter nonsense by virtually everyone—even including Diane Dimond.
It shows that Wade's camp has relied exclusively on discredited 1990s gossip rags and fake stories since the dawn of his allegations.
Now, Finaldi carries the torch.
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