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The News Media’s Handling of Leaving Neverland Proves Just How Broken the Entire Industry Really Is

by John Ziegler | Mar 12th, 2019

A week ago, when I first watched HBO’s highly controversial film Leaving Neverland, I purposely did so without refreshing my recollection on the facts regarding the allegations of child sex abuse against Michael Jackson from many years ago. I wanted to see the movie in much the same way that the average viewer did.
Like most people who viewed it, I was emotionally impacted by the horrific nature of the alleged abuse, but was eventually turned off by the obvious unfairness of allowing two unverified accusers being allowed four hours, with the support of tremendously manipulative production elements, to make un-scrutinized claims against an un-convicted dead man (who, it should also be noted, paid $20 million to a 13-year-old accuser in the 1990s as part of a settlement out of court). As someone who had long suspected Michael Jackson was likely guilty of child abuse, but whose own coverage of his 2005 trial as a Los Angeles talk show host made me actually start to doubt that presumption, the whole thing was conflicting.
Since I absolutely despise that I have somehow become known as someone who is willing to defend those accused of sex abuse even though we live in an era where such an act, regardless of the facts of the particular situation, makes you automatically a “bad” person, I was extremely hesitant to delve further into the matter. However, even my initial evaluation of the voluminous record involving the movie’s two stars, Wade Robson and James Safechuck, made it very clear that the movie was a journalistic travesty, and that someone should be willing to take a stand against the prevailing narrative on behalf of truth and fairness.
As is always the case, before I eventually dove in headfirst, I engaged in extensive research on these claims, and spoke to several people with direct knowledge of the other side of the story. I did lengthy in-person interviews with two key members of the Jackson family. One of them, Brandi Jackson, had dated Robson throughout their entire teenage years, including during the time when the abuse was allegedly occurring.

One of the many difficulties in telling a version of events which is contradictory to someone the news media — as opposed to the courts — has determined is a “sex abuse victim” (especially those who, like Robson and Safechuck, have been sanctified by Oprah Winfrey on HBO) is that, particularly post #MeToo, no one data point can ever been seen as a “smoking gun” that their allegation is false. However, when viewed in the full context of Robson’s already suspect narrative, I strongly believe that Brandi’s version of events comes as close as possible to being just that (as do many other non-Jackson fans who have spent the time to hear her, and her cousin Taj, out).
In a remotely rational world, where the news media still even plausibly functioned as a source of truth, and where basic fairness still had any real currency, Brandi would have immediately been invited on multiple major television news outlets (heck, her story even involves a normally irresistible tidbit about Robson cheating on her with Britney Spears, thus causing her infamous breakup with Justin Timberlake). However, to the mild surprise of even a grizzled media cynic like me, that did not happen.

Even before our interview, multiple members of the Jackson family told me that they felt like the major news media was purposely censoring Brandi’s explosive story. I told them that it was possible that the media just may not fully understand the significance what she has to say (none of which, it should be noted, has never been contradicted at all by Robson, or anyone else), but I now must conclude that I was being naïve.
To be clear, I am not alleging some sort of anti-Jackson conspiracy, but actually something far more treacherous than that. Based on the news media’s unwillingness to even give Brandi a voice, it is now abundantly obvious that a new media rule has been created that no one, no matter how credible, unless they are huge celebrity, is allowed to directly contradict the veracity of someone the media is invested in as a “victim,” no matter how lacking in credibility that allegation is (and to be clear, books could easily be written on why the current story of Robson, who enthusiastically testified as Jackson’s first witness at his criminal trial, is not to be believed).

Within the news media, there is just far too much fear/risk, and not nearly courage/reward. So, here is what really happened in this situation…
Michael Jackson has always been suspected of being capable of literally anything because of his obvious extreme weirdness and seemingly inappropriate attachments to young boys. A filmmaker with an obvious agenda interviewed two middle-aged men for several days and ignored the many problems with their stories (for the record, a close look at the movie discredits huge chunks of Safechuck’s narrative as well, especially with regard to the real circumstances surrounding him not testifying at Jackson’s criminal trial), using about the first three hours to get his audience emotionally invested in his subjects, which was very easy given the widely-held suspicions about Jackson, who is no longer around to defend himself.

Not being armed with even the basic facts (inexplicably, and quite tellingly, Brandi Jackson is not even mentioned), the audience, including the media, was easily manipulated into being able to disregard even the biggest holes in their stories, and to gladly accept even the most bizarre
rationalizations for their nonsensical actions. Once Oprah, an abuse victim herself, effectively validated their stories (even as Safechuck, who barely participated in the post-movie interview, sweated noticeably right in front of her), the preferred narrative was set, and nothing would then be allowed to credibly contradict it.

It needs to at least be mentioned that the most bizarre aspect of the news media embracing this movie is, because of the narrative used to explain why the accusers didn’t realize they were abused much sooner, it actually has elements which are arguably PRO pedophilia. This “we didn’t think sex abuse was bad” explanation could have been simply a result of the accusers having to craft their stories to escape statute of limitations problems in their lawsuit against the Jackson estate.
Regardless, there is no need to give the Jackson family much of a chance to respond — or even see the movie before it came out — because, after all, we now know for sure that they are just part of an evil machine which is knowingly covering up for a dead pedophile, all in a desperate attempt to protect the value of the pop superstar’s estate. Gee, what could possibly go wrong with that sort of thinking, especially since Jackson was never convicted, or even found liable, in a court of law?!

Part of my naïveté here was that I stupidly thought the Jussie Smollett fake hate-crime fiasco would have, at least for a few months, made the news media a little more hesitant to blindly buy into outlandish stories with no proof and a clear financial motive. Obviously, that has not happened, and it is because the modern news media, for many reasons, is now completely, irreparably, and dangerously broken.
John Ziegler is a senior columnist for Mediaite. He hosts a weekly podcast focusing on news media issues and is documentary filmmaker. You can follow him on Twitter at @ZigManFreud or email him at johnz@mediaite.com

This is an opinion piece. The views expressed in this article are those of just the author.






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Wade Robson’s story relies on the idea that because he says he lied at the ‘05 trial, that MJ’s exoneration at that trial is invalid.
But if you ACTUALLY talk to the jurors? They exonerated MJ not because of the defence, but because the prosecution had NO CASE.






_ItsToni_‏ @_ItsToni_
So while wade Robson was IN LOVE with Michael Jackson, he asked MJ to introduce him to his niece, whom he had a crush on. He was in a relationship with the niece from 12 to 20 YO. He was in love with MJ and his niece. Do people actually buy this fan fiction?





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Keya Morgan Retweeted TONY SAFECHUCK
The Michael Jackson accuser James Safechuck from the @HBO doc lied according to his own cousin Tony @SHOWTIME16 who was with him and says MJ was a "great" man and the allegations are "bullshit". Tony you're very important witness to millions of MJ fans. Thank you sir

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@possiblytully @EllisMate my cuz/I were 2 of the kids that used 2 hang out with him! Great person, it's all bullshit, no settlement happened

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Oh MY.... Reed is now saying that Wade had intense sexual relationship with Michael from the age of 7 to 9, but in Joy's deposition she says that from 1987 to 1990 they didn't have any contact wiht Michael Jackson
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Michael Jackson Accuser Wade Robson Broke Up Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake in Cheating Scandal, Jackson’s Niece Claims
HBO’s Leaving Neverland featured Hollywood choreographer Wade Robson, who claimed he was sexually assaulted by King of Pop Michael Jackson as a child. Robson previously defended Jackson, twice, at his trials. Now, Robson is being accused of betrayal once more, but this time in regard to pop icons Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake splitting in 2002.

Michael Jackson’s niece, Brandi Jackson, claimed she dated Robson for nearly all of her teenage years and his account of abuse is simply not true. The plot deepened when she explained she broke up with Robson after a cheating scandal involving Spears and Timberlake.

Brandi spoke with podcast host and Mediaite writer John Zeigler in an hour-long conversation published Saturday. In it, she revealed a handful of accusations and her own side of the story.

Jackson’s niece explained how she got close to Robson. “He had asked my Uncle Michael if he would basically put us in a situation where we could get to know each other further,” Brandi said of her young relationship with Robson. “So my uncle invited Wade, his mom and his sister to the ranch.”

Brandi said they stayed at the ranch about a week. In Leaving Neverland, Robson described a week, and more without his family, where he stayed at the ranch with Jackson. He claimed those were the time periods Jackson molested him and the two developed a sexual relationship. Robson said he was in a relationship with Jackson from age 7 to 14.
After the week at the ranch, Brandi said Robson asked her to be his girlfriend. At the time, Brandi said they were both about 12 years old. They continued dating through their teen years and didn’t have sex until they were 18, Brandi explained. In her time line, she was around 20 years old when the pair broke up due to cheating allegations.
Robson is a professional choreographer known for his work with Spears and Timberlake. Brandi said in the later years of their relationship Robson's behavior changed, and she suspected he was cheating on her with the women he worked with. She even alleged he was responsible for the breakup of Spears and Timberlake.
“I know that he was pursuing her,” Brandi said of Robson’s relationship with Spears. “In my understanding, Justin brought Wade onto the project to do production. That’s when Britney and Wade really got closer and began sleeping with each other.”

When news broke in the media that Robson might be having an affair with Spears, he denied it. It wasn’t until a mutual friend told Brandi about a number of women he’d been seeing that he came clean. The pair broke up on the spot.

Brandi said that due to Robson’s "narcissistic" personality, she didn’t think it was too far-fetched to say he was lying about Jackson. She also expressed love and admiration for her late uncle.








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ALL of lamestream media is #FakeNews. Michael Jackson is the victim, ultimately murdered bc of the lies the satanic-controlled media spread. HOW sick and evil is this world that crucifies Jesus Christ and Michael Jackson based on NOTHING but 100% LIES?





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@2DayFM Shameful and biased interview with Dan Reed today. Could you have pandered to him any more? Could you have giggled and mocked @BJackson82 anymore? Could you have eaten up everything Dan said to you anymore? What is wrong with you all?







International Film Critique‏ @IntFilmCritique
#LeavingNeverland is an extremely one-sided, fictional mockumentary WITHOUT a shred of evidence. A culmination of a 26 year witchhunt to destroy & defraud #MichaelJackson. A quintessential #MeToo propaganda. Shame on all of you! And @Oprah, shut the fuck up! Hipocrite.






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The Court has set a date for a hearing based on the MJ Estate's motion to compel arbitration, on June 26, 2019. The MJ Estate is requesting that the Court compel HBO to participate in a non-confidential arbitration for breach of disparagement clause.




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Stephon Cook had some vivid memories, but these were not loving memories that he would cherish for the rest of his life. These were vivid memories of sexual abuse that he had suffered as a child; suffered at the hands of Cardinal Joseph Bernardin. Bernardin was head of the nation’s third largest archdiocese, with nearly three million Catholics that were under his guidance. He was considered a worldwide leader of the church and had taken the initiative in helping to establish an investigative mechanism for handling charges of clerical sexual abuse. His methods were seen as ground breaking and a laudatory example for others across the nation.
Could it be true? Was the Cardinal guilty of such a heinous crime? He had evidence that supposedly corroborated his story. The media reported it as a classic, “he said, she said” event with Cook’s story of abuse holding up against Bernardin unequivocal and unchanging denial. The Cardinal never wavered. He claimed that he was not guilty of these crimes and that he had faith in the American justice system that the people would see the truth.
This is when Stephon Clark filed a $10 million-dollar lawsuit filed against the Cardinal and the Catholic church. Mr. Clark believed that he should be compensated for his pain and anguish for all the time that he suffered at the hands of the Cardinal and the church.

Bernardin had a “spotless” record as a leader and servant in his community. He was also pro-active when it came to actual victims of child abuse. Later, there would be claims that he helped cover some claims of sexual abuse up. However, the national climate against the Catholic church and its sex abuse scandals began to radically change. The Catholic church had been rocked with scandal after scandal of credible abuse charges and allegations. Many people began to believe the victims and pushed for the Catholic church to do something with all the allegations. People began to speak up and wondered aloud why the church shuffled abusers from church to church instead of letting them go and/or looking to prosecute these men?
What was Mr. Cook’s evidence that he was sexually abused? He recalled these “vivid memories” retrieved from “repressed memory during hypnosis”. His corroborating evidence was a book signed by Bernardin, and a photo of them together. Apparently, his statement and his scant evidence was enough to suspect that Bernardin sexually abused Cook. Things didn’t look good for the Chicago cardinal, but Bernardin maintained his faith in the legal system and his innocence.

However, something happened a year into Cook’s accusations. Suddenly, the charges were dropped and Bernardin was exonerated. Stephen Cook came out and stated that he made a huge mistake based on a “faulty memory”. Cook was convinced that he was sexually abused, but he was confused about the identity of the actual perpetrator. However, he was firm in stating that the person was not the Cardinal.
Bernardin forgave his accuser and even the psychotherapist who “implanted memories” into Cook’s mind.
I can assure you that all my life I have led a chaste, celibate life.” Bernardin stated. When he was confronted with Cook’s claims of evidence, he simply stated, “I don’t understand.” In the end, the Cardinal wasn’t concerned about himself, stating his innocence and his concern for his loved ones who had to endure these allegations as well.

Cardinal Bernardin in Chicago
There can be no doubt due to past and ongoing allegations against the Catholic Church at the time that many assumed that the Cardinal was guilty as sin.

Based on the climate of the day, many thought the Cardinal would spend a considerable amount of time behind bars due to the encapsulating scandals that rocked the Catholic Church at the time. However, the Cardinal was innocent as he always proclaimed and was ready to gamble his freedom with the American justice system.
During the 2005 allegations and trial against Michael Jackson, the media consistently beat the drums of Michael’s guilt. It was all but assured that he would probably spend the rest of his life in prison. There were media reports of individuals who were betting how long before Jackson “cracked”, talks of suicide watches, and morose family visits with Janet, Jermaine, and Katherine. What would happen to his children once he was locked away and if they were allowed to visit him? There was even one news producer from CBS News that trademarked “Jesus Juice” wine, something that his accuser Gavin Arvizo falsely stated Michael offered him. Forget about fair and balanced, this was flatly offensive to everyone, especially actual victims of child abuse.
The difference between false memories and true ones is the same as for jewels; it is always the false ones that look the most real, the most brilliant.”
-Salvador Dali

However, a strange dichotomy occurred with this 2005 trial. The reporters and journalists sat in the courtroom and watched the same trial the rest of us did. They saw the strange antics of the mother of the accuser, Janet Arvizo, snapping her fingers and talking about being kidnapped in hot air balloons. They watched as the ever vengeful and persistent District Attorney, Tom Sneddon, grow angry and red faced as his witnesses turned from pro-prosecution to help the defense. They saw there was very little evidence against Mr. Jackson, with some wondering how did a case like this ever make it to court? However, the truth was not to be reported. Night after night, the same reporters and journalists told us that it would be a matter of time before Jackson would be behind bars. When Jackson was rightfully acquitted, the
media professed to be “shocked”, but they knew that the evidence against Jackson was flimsy and couldn’t stand up in court.

It was described by some as “the most shameful episode in journalistic history.” It was the most lopsided reporting on a case that we’d ever seen. It’s why so many were confused as to how a man, who was painted as guilty by the pro-prosecution media, was allowed to walk free on every single charge. There was one man who ensured that Michael would walk with his damning testimony. Wade Robson.

As with the previous cases, the media ran with stances that were unbelievably biased against the defense, hinting at guilty verdicts for all the defendants. This was done in the McMartin trial, a child sex abuse scandal involving day care workers and child abuse allegations. The children, who alleged incredible sex acts that took place in their day care, talked about flying around the room on their own volition. The media continued to report the salacious details of the case, but did little reporting on just how improbable the testimony was. What this shows is that when the public gets caught in a firestorm, the media follows along blindly.

Instead of being a check and balance on power, it just cashes checks while the balance is the bottom line.
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In Michael’s case, this remains to be true.

Believe the victims.

When Wade Robson and James Safechuck were children, they steadfastly claimed that Michael never touched them in a way that was ever inappropriate. However, as adults, the stories began to change, and they committed perjury under oath. One man perjured himself twice, just so that he could get around the statute of limitations. This is the reason why the lawsuit against Jackson’s estate was thrown out of court.
The media continues this crusade of misinformation today. Recently with the Leaving Neverland documentary, the NYTimes and The Washington Post printed pieces that practically told the reader just exactly how you should feel after watching the documentary. It didn’t seem to disturb the American media that there was only one side being told. One journalist was so bold into saying that Michael Jackson “defended himself enough while he was alive”, therefore pushing the narrative that Jackson’s children, family, loved ones, and fans are no longer entitled to the truth. A truth, the media told us that they only they can tell. However, with the current political climate, it’s evident that the American public don’t feel that they can count on this same media to tell them the truth, regardless of political affiliation. Americans increasingly feel polarized and will get their information from sources that represent their beliefs. If you believe Jackson is guilty, then you’ll stay away from reports and details that clear him of wrong doing, or at least sources that raise serious questions about any allegations made.
Michael Jackson made a lot of money for himself and millions for others. However, he was still a human being. He had his day in court, with the finding of not guilty, but unfortunately, the court of public opinion is a never-ending trial. In the court of public opinion, there are few rules, everyone is a judge, juror, and executioner, and the defendant is forever guilty on the internet.

With the latest documentary airing on HBO, the director is asking to take you along on a ride through the life of the worlds’ biggest star and arguably the greatest entertainer of all time. The two young men, along with the director, took you through nearly an hour of how they met Jackson and what it was like with sleepovers, parties, and amusement parks. It seemed like a party every day for the children that Jackson let into his very private life, only trusting a few people, but being very generous with his home, his time, and often his bank account.
But then, the ominous music plays, and the party is over. This world of games, non-stop laughter, and fun has come to a screeching halt, like a song coming to an end. Now, we are to believe what was once innocent and childlike, was just an elaborate game to procure children for his sexual desires.

It’s disturbing to watch. You will squirm. You will look away. You will hold your children tight. You will beg them to always come to you if someone was audacious enough to approach your child inappropriately. It may even cause you to lose sleep as you are literally inundated with very graphic and detailed descriptions of how a predator traps its prey. However, there is a voice in the back of your mind, filled with doubt
Could the King of Pop have really fooled us all into thinking he was one of the worlds most talented AND greatest criminal pedophiles of all time? That he was able to escape local and federal law enforcement, along with private detectives that even followed him around just clever enough to have never been prosecuted? That this documentary was able to find evidence that the police and the FBI were never able to locate? If true, would that make Michael Jackson, the King of Pop, would have been the greatest, smoothest criminal of all time? (no pun intended)

That’s when the wool is pulled away from your eyes. Or at least, it should be.
Wade Robson wants you to believe that the King of Pop, a man already under intense scrutiny by local law enforcement and the FBI, once fondled him with just a “thin blanket” covering them, with his mother in the same room. He wants you to believe that a man, with hundreds of millions of dollars to lose, the adoration of millions of fans all around the world, along with his freedom, would be so brazen and bold to abuse him with his mother present, and anyone able to walk in on them at any time. He is asking you to believe that Michael could control himself for the most part, this crazed “boy lover”, while losing complete control other times, to the point where he recklessly abused a child in sight of an adult?
I’m to believe a man, whose mother relentlessly pursued Michael to another continent to ensure her child would be a star, is telling the truth? Joy Robson claims that Michael’s companies are responsible for the abuse, but it was she that initiated contact with Michael, even lying about the first meeting being facilitated by Michael. It wasn’t. Target held the meeting. You may believe that is a small detail, but these things go to the veracity of what these people are claiming and to their credibility. The Robson’s know that they can’t sue Michael because he’s dead. So, the ever changing narrative needs to be that Michael’s companies were aware of the abuse and did nothing to stop it, even making allegations that they facilitated the abuse. This is so that he can get around the statute of limitations. Yes, you read that correctly. He had to change his narrative to fit the lawsuit so that it could go forward in court.
Wade Robson is the same man that perjured himself in court to a judge, stating that he didn’t know Michael had an estate, just to get past the statute of limitations. Especially after it was proven to be a lie. It is easily proven that Wade made arrangements with the same estate he was unaware of in 2011, before any allegations just so he could work on a Michael tribute show? The same estate that he claimed he didn’t know existed.

That guy? The same man that had to email his mother several times before the allegations to construct a timeline because he didn’t remember what happened? The emails that he didn’t want to show the court, and even tried to hide? The same person who would like us to believe that Norma Staikos, a personal assistant of Jackson, is more to blame for this alleged abuse than his own mother? The woman who knew her son was sleeping in the room with Jackson and immigrated to the U.S. on her own, because she felt that her son “went as far as he could go in Australia”? Did anyone in the media ever ask Wade Robson that in 2005 when he testified against the accuser Gavin Arvizo, why it’s taken years for him to offer an apology to the child who he denied justice when he testified in Michael’s defense?

However, because the figure is Michael Jackson, an extremely sheltered man, with many eccentricities, the media buys it, hook, line, and sinker. No questions asked. Questions weren’t necessary to begin with.

Believe the victims.

Children that claim child sexual abuse should be believed. However, we know that children are often used so that adults can get something they want. False allegations happen so frequently in divorce proceedings, that there is a name for this kind of phenomenon. However, those who make up sexual abuse do nothing but victimize actual victims repeatedly. To claim that somehow, you’re helping victims of sexual abuse, but then make up allegations that something happened to you, does a disservice to those who were actually abused. It needlessly lessens the credibility of all child sex abuse survivors, making some people less inclined to believe them.
People who lie about sexual assault get to ride and hide behind “#MeToo,” and “believe the victims” so that they escape having to answer for all the contradictions in their statements.

We rightfully get to question the motives, attitudes, and actions of the abusers and accused, but in today’s atmosphere, we aren’t ever allowed to ever question the veracity of the victims. Even the appearance of trying to be fair will bring the wrath of those who believe all victims fall into the same category. The pendulum has swung the other way, from never believing victims and questioning their motive, to never questioning the motive of every victim and allowing them to tell their stories. If Stephon Clark were making his allegations today against the Catholic Church, there would be few that would believe the Cardinal, despite his fervent claims of innocence. Because the Catholic Church had been accused, rightfully so, of shuffling predators around from church to church, why would Mr. Clark’s claims be any different?

But Mr. Clark’s claims were complete lies. Most people today would have easily bought his claims. The Cardinal would have had to resign before the sun went down and he would have been vilified to the end of time. Now that we know Mr. Clark wasn’t telling the truth, what would people have said about the Cardinal? I’m sorry we went too far? Or would the media have just ignored it and went on to the next story? Perhaps, maybe even taking the next claims brought before the media not too seriously. Therefore, actual abuse victims are victimized by liars over and over again.

Believe the victims.

Where does this leave us? Believe all victims that come forward and make claims, just because they are victims? In Michael’s case, these aren’t children coming forward and making claims. These are grown men telling us a story of abuse from their childhood. Where do we draw the line?

We’ve shown that our political ideologies will get in the way when it’s our party that we want to support or deny. We ignore the Christine Blasey Fords’ of the world because we want Brett Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court, but do we listen to Al Franken’s accusers? We tell Justin Fairfax that he must step down as Lieutenant Governor, but we ignore the biggest, admitted sexual abuser in the White House. Democrats don’t want to talk about Clinton’s accusers because they are pointing fingers at Trump’s. Republicans point at Clinton and other Democrats but ignore their own who have abused women
and children alike. The people we like, we’ll make excuses for. The people we don’t, we make them step down and never show their faces again. How does this treatment belong in a so-called democratic society? Are we going to pretend that everyone that comes forward is a victim and everyone that denies an allegation is a victimizer? There must be a better way of dealing with this.

Michael endured more scrutiny than any other child abuser, pedophile, and other monsters in our society. Not only was he subjected to the criminal justice system, there was a ten-year FBI investigation into him. Investigations done by local and federal law enforcement that turned up absolutely nothing. If there was justice that needed to be done, surely Michael Jackson endured the brunt of it. He came out on the other side, reputation tarnished, but certainly not guilty of the crimes that they claimed he committed.
To believe these accusers, you must believe that during the 1993 investigation into Michael, he was actively molesting children as if he wasn’t fighting for his career at the same time. It is a stretch of the imagination, but because Michael was considered “weird”, “strange”, and “not like the rest of us”, it seems as though the media and his detractors are willing to believe any nonsense against him. Why not? People believed that he bought the Elephant man’s bones, had a shrine to Elizabeth Taylor, and slept in a hyperbaric oxygen chamber.

It’s absurd. It buys into many racist theories of black men that somehow, they are just “different” than the rest of us. They deserve to live under scrutiny and nothing they say is to be believed. Those that are groaning and shaking their heads at yet another “delusional supporter” of Michael’s cult , but these same people won’t answer to at least why they haven’t even bothered to look into the accusers and the accusations that they’ve levied against the world’s most talented and scrutinized pop star. They don’t have answers to why the small number of accusers always seemed to get lost on the way to a police station
when making allegations against Michael just to find their way to an attorney. They don’t have answers to why Wade’s and Jimmy’s lawsuits have been amended several times, each changing the claims against Mr. Jackson, and why one discovered he was abused after watching a man, who perjured himself, just to get around the statute of limitations, started making claims that he was abused as well. They don’t have answers as to why Wade Robson hid the fact that he had a girlfriend during the time he claims Jackson told him to stay away from girls. A girlfriend that currently and vociferously refutes many of the statements that Wade has made.

The public need to only ask the question as “Why?” If the sex abuse is real, why omit so much relevant information. What are you trying to hide? Yet, no media outlet at the time of this writing has allowed her to come on the air, including Good Morning America, who scheduled her, decided against it at the last moment and cancelled her appearance.
Just as we didn’t see the truth during the 2005 trial against Michael, where he walked out of court a free man, ask yourself why are the real facts being omitted just to sell a narrative? If you begin to ask yourself these questions, a different picture emerges. Not a conspiracy as some of the wildest Jackson fans would like to perpetuate, but a story that fits a narrative.

If Michael was a great human being, humanitarian, entertainer, a great talent to the world, and innocent, there is nothing to be gleaned from that. If Michael was a sick pedophile and the greatest criminal mind that ever lived, then the media can gain a lot from that. Two-hour long specials, featuring the same people who crumbled and were shown to be liars in court, no new information as Piers Morgan repeatedly points out, and books, movie deals, articles, etc. It’s like trying to draw blood from a stone if Jackson is innocent. However, if Jackson is guilty, that stone becomes a dam bursting forth. That dam bursting to the sound of $1.6 billion dollars in the pockets of Wade Robson and Jimmy Safechuck.
They both get to tell the gruesome stories of a man that is in the ground, while they hide behind the #MeToo and #Timesup movements. If someone does the work and asks the hard questions, their stories will crumble like a house built with a pack of cards. Until then, they are “victims” and the media continue to buy it. However, you should know that dam is built on shaky ground. When the other side gets to tell the truth, the already evident cracks will begin to crumble, but it won’t be water showering you from the dam that they built

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This is the man that I used to call “pedophile” this is the man that I thought he bleached his skin,this is the man that I thought was a drug addict,It only took me 5 minutes and 10 nephews to do research about his life to say, I’m so sorry,I’m sure of something now
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@LoveMJ4Eternity Retweeted Dr. Andrew Greene
What was powerful?
The 'honeymoon' at Euro Disney in 88? Didn't open until 92.
Mayb the ring they bought?
Nope shop owner says definitely didn't buy a ring. The memorabilia being burned?
Nope, all sold to Juliens Auction?
Maybe the fact the judge threw it out of court? YES.

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Verified account @tajjackson3
Taj Jackson Retweeted The Sun
How embarrassing, you are citing an old Radar online (tabloid) article as your source. You conveniently left out that my brothers and I sued Radar online for this exact article and they had to remove it. The Radar online link you provide has no article.
Facts don’t lie, People do
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Kartika Sihombing‏ @kartikashinta10
Dear celebrities once this is all done. And the truth comes out. Don’t come crawling back and say “Michael Jackson is my biggest inspiration” Save that bullshit for those 2 you glorify so much.






Justice for The Falsely Accused‏ @JuliaBerkowitz1
So Dan Reed claims Wade had an intense honeymoon period with MJ when he was 7-9. Except, the Robsons still lived in Australia at the time. Most of their interactions that period was through faxes and phone calls.






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MJJJusticeProject Retweeted John Ziegler
but wait ..it gets better @Zigmanfreud Dan has apparently stated the the abuse of Wade was mostly from 7-9 yrs .. so he can discount Brandi..Only problem with that is Wade didn't move to America til he was NINE. ..ut oh.. now they just stepped into some bigger piles of sh*t





So ‘in love’ was Wade with Michael that he dated Jackson’s niece for 7 years & took his future wife round to Jackson’s on numerous occasions and also wanted to get married there - to HIS GIRLFRIEND - Sorry Dan, your Gutierrez regurgitation doesn’t work!

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From 'The Sun' a UK newspaper
‘HE NEVER LOVED HER’ Michael Jackson only married Lisa Marie Presley to get hold of Elvis’ music collection, singer’s former maid claims
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Verified account @tajjackson3
Taj Jackson Retweeted The Sun
My uncle LOVED Lisa Marie Presley. He told me and my brothers this many times over the years. It was genuine. He felt she was his equal, didn’t want his $, and could truly understand his life.
This is shameful article, and your source is a proven liar. Anyone else see a pattern.


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caramella‏ @Caramelicedtea
TMZ are now reporting using that exact same CCTV footage of MJ looking for a ring with Safechuck like it's a new thing - he cites it in his lawsuit! He also did NOT buy a ring while shopping.






Samar @TheMJAP‏ @TheMJAP
Samar @TheMJAP Retweeted Taj Jackson
The Sun's source is NOT ONLY a proven liar, she's also a member of the notorious "Neverland 5", a bunch of petty crooks who stole property from Michael Jackson. He took them to court, they owed him $1.5 MILLION DOLLARS. Adrian McManus, personally, was told to pay an extra $35k!





Verified account @djvlad
Very sad news about Ron Newt dying. 3 days ago we spoke and scheduled another interview this Saturday. He was going to address the Michael Jackson accusations and the positive experience that he and his children had with Michael. Condolences to J Valentine & Ron’s other family.







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Karen Faye Retweeted Taj Jackson
True Taj! He told me how much he loved Lisa too.

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I was a junior in highschool when my friend Michael Jackson asked me to go on tour with him. He was spending the summer in Europe staging the largest ever (at the time) rock tour for his latest album DANGEROUS. I begged and pleaded with my parents to let me go. We’d known Michael for a few years by then and grown quite close. He’d even come and stayed at our house in suburban Boston for a few days. Who could forget the time he clumsily tried to make his bed in the guestroom in the morning in an effort to impress my mother so he might be invited back? Or the ill-fated breakfast he tried to cook for my sister and I that we forced down our throats with strained smiles as he carefully watched us? Aside from being the biggest celebrity on the planet, he seemed like a pretty good guy so eventually my parents relented and let me go.
To describe it in one word: impossibly awesome (because one word is not nearly enough). To be seventeen and the sidekick of the greatest rockstar the world had ever known was indescribable. Paris, Rome, London, Munich, Athens and more. Every city we went to essentially shut down to host him. Where Michael roamed, a million cameras followed. A buzz reverberated and the bright light of fame trailed. And I felt the halo effect, often donning one of his iconic fedoras, his signature sunglasses, and one of the countless slick tour jackets Pepsi supplied us with. Private planes, police escorts, marching soldiers (an inexplicable MJ favorite), Michael was more than happy to share his celebrity because he had more than he’d ever know what to do with. He joked that I could ride “shotgun” with him anytime I liked. He knew I was living vicariously through him and he was happy for it.
Arriving to stadiums hours before showtime, while he’d have to go through elaborate pre-show routines and wardrobe sessions, I’d wander out onto the stage where dozens upon dozens of sound techs, engineers, and roadies would be rigging the massive stage and prepping the show. Even four or five hours before showtime, thousands of fans would push as far forward as possible so as to get as close to MJ when the show began. You’ve seen the videos of crazy fans, dehydrated and dazed, having to be dragged out of the crowd by hustling paramedics. I saw it up close and personal – even got involved once or twice when fans started dropping by the dozens.
During the show itself, sometimes I’d hang around just off the stage watching Michael kill it. The man knew how to perform and it was like a meditation to just to witness it. At other times, I’d hang in his dressing room, outfitted to the nines with candy, orange juice, and video games.
After the show, Michael would retreat back to the dressing room too and then be forced to stand around awkwardly and greet VIPs, celebrity guests, sponsors and others who’d earned backstage privileges. It was easy to see that he was far more comfortable singing and dancing in front of a 100,000 strong than socializing with a dozen.
After those formalities, he and I would retreat back to his hotel, usually the biggest and best suite in the whole city. Michael almost always had the place stocked with old movies, more candy, and more orange juice. Even as thousands of adoring fans chanted his name from the streets below, we’d chat about music, movies, video games, girls, and occasionally the meaning of life.
But then something unexpected happened. The awesomeness wore off for me. Believe it or not, I started to get bored of sitting up in that suite with just MJ. And then I started to feel claustrophobic. I was seventeen years old, in freaking Europe, surrounded by a rock band, sexy dancers who could bend in all sorts of ways and backup singers who hit octaves I fantasized about. They liked to rage every night after the show and openly talked about their exploits the following day. Soon enough, I gained the courage to ask Michael if he minded if I slipped out with some of the others after his shows.
Not only did he say it was okay, he encouraged me. Outfitted with his fedora, sunglasses, and tour jackets, getting the best table at the best restaurants, into the VIP sections of the hottest clubs, and the adulation of all the local girls was easier than could be imagined. Often when I got back from a night on the town, Michael would call me in my hotel room and summon me. I’d head up to his suite and proceed to narrate my night’s misadventures to him and debrief him on all the latest gossip surrounding his band. I didn’t really need to dramatize my exploits, but I did anyway because I knew that he was living vicariously through me and I was happy for it.
It’s a cliché to say that your highschool summers are the most memorable of your life, but I challenge anyone to say how mine could not be. For years, I wore the badge of that summer and my many exploits over it boldly and boastfully. Then of course, as time passed and Michael became embroiled in scandals involving teen boys, all of a sudden my summer as his teen sidekick didn’t have the same glamour to it. Now it was a stigma, something I treasured but certainly did not tout.
Over the years my brotherhood with Michael evolved. When I went to college in NYC and lived uptown, he lived at the Four Seasons in midtown and I’d see him regularly, sharing with him collegiate exploits and adventures. Years later when he became a father, he invited me over to Neverland to see “the greatest thing he ever created” – his son Prince. More time passed. I watched as he endured the agony of his dramatic fall from grace, his resurrection through his children Prince, Paris, and Blanket, and then once again the agony of his descent into the shadows of things he couldn’t control.
During the last years of his life, I got to see his creativity up close and personal once again. He and I were working on a graphic novel together entitled THE FATED. He had big plans for it. One day he wanted to direct it as a film, impress his mentor Steven Spielberg, and have his favorite actor Will Smith be in it. It was classic MJ in terms of process, intense at times, with intermittent months of total inaction in between. The story of an iconic Rockstar worn out by the agony of his fame, driven to the most desperate measures, only to discover that his super-stardom has him “fated” for far more than just fame and fortune. Of course, I eventually realized Michael was giving me a window into his own personal allegory and I felt privileged to help record it. Sadly, we never were able to complete the story and I was left instead with an eerie tale without a proper ending (note: I hope with the assistance of Michael’s Estate – in the hands of some very capable and conscious stewards – that we’ll one day be able to share The Fated with all the dignity it and Michael deserves).
Like The Fated, we never got to see a proper ending to Michael’s tale. Instead there’s a tangled legacy, the bright light of fame shining over the tumbled necropolis of unfounded allegations twisted around the neverending tenderness for his own children. it’s funny to me how in the last year, in death Michael has been canonized by many of the same commentators who were so relentless in tearing him down while he lived. He’d see the irony in it and call them bad names – the man could curse like a drunken sailor.
One night while on that tour with him, toward the end when I was getting ready to go back to school and the real world, Michael asked me if I was glad that I had come, even though I couldn’t stay for the whole tour. He knew I was sad that I wouldn’t get to stay until the very end. Still, it was an insane question and I told him so. “Are you kidding?” I said. “Every second I was here with you was a privilege. Thank you for letting me ride shotgun even for a little while.”
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andjustice4some‏ @andjustice4some
Ron Newt was offered $200k by the National Enquirer to say that Michael Jackson molested his kids. When it came time to sign the contract, Mr. Newt's signed as "no good sucker" because Newt refused the money. Mr. Newt passed away today. #RIP and thanks for your loyalty.

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Now Dan Reed has accused Michael's hair stylist too for this fake bs.
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Karen Faye Retweeted Mikey Applehead
Oh GEEZ. I would never say anything like that!!! Michael was my boss. Saying that would be disrespectful towards MJ. Lies lies lies





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Michael Jackson 'innocent' adverts to be removed
Transport for London say they will be removing advertisements that proclaim Michael Jackson is innocent.

It comes after a sexual assault victims' charity said it was "concerned" about the adverts that have appeared on buses and bus stops.

Posters were put up in response to a documentary in which the singer is accused of child sex abuse.

The adverts have been financed through a crowdfunding campaign and feature the slogan: "Facts don't lie. People do."

The Survivors Trust said the message could discourage victims of sexual assault from coming forward.




In a statement to BBC Radio 1 Newsbeat, TfL says: "We have reviewed our position and will be removing these advertisements.

"They have been rejected due to the public sensitivity and concern around their content."
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The Leaving Neverland documentary, broadcast in the UK on Channel 4 last week, featured claims by two men who say they were sexually abused by Michael Jackson when they were young.

Wade Robson and James Safechuck claim they were molested and described the alleged incidents in graphic detail.

The singer died in 2009 so cannot defend himself, but his family and fans have been protesting his innocence since the film was broadcast.

Michael Jackson's nephew Taj told Radio 1 Newsbeat the allegations in Leaving Neverland felt like "the ultimate betrayal" but he believes they won't have a lasting effect on his uncle's legacy.
The poster campaign appeared after a "Michael Jackson Innocent" crowdfunding page hit its £20,000 target.

The page says: "Like countless others within the MJ Community and society in general, we would not think twice in turning our backs on his legacy, if we for one second felt that there was any truth at all in these heinous events... There is a huge group in society that believe and know he is innocent."

It is reportedly being led by former Big Brother UK contestant and Jackson fanatic Seany O'Kane.

However the Survivors Trust said the adverts were inappropriate.

"We have been particularly concerned by the recent news that TfL has chosen to run an advertising campaign... that endorses Jackson's innocence," a statement from the charity said.

"The decision to prioritise advertising revenue over the option of remaining neutral on such an emotive topic is disappointing."
The charity said victims of sexual assault often did not come forward because they thought that they would not be believed.

"An advertising campaign such as this perpetuates this fear among survivors and is very misplaced," the charity stated.

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Messaggio da soulmum » 14 marzo 2019, 7:31

https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment ... 4cEXAUIBtI

FINALLY - one UK newspaper telling the other side of the story. Hope the others follow suit and copy this too.

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In 2011 Joy Robson admitted on the radio that she moved to the United States when #WadeRobson was about to turn 9 and their goal was HOLLYWOOD





Charles Thomson

So let’s scrutinise this deliberately fictitious story by The Sun. [THREAD]

1) Michael Jackson did not, as a result of marrying Lisa Marie Presley, take ownership of Elvis’s songs.

2) The source of the story is a maid Jackson barely knew.

3) She’s also a thief & a perjurer.

4) She was fired from Jackson’s employ a year before he married Lisa Marie.

5) She was fired for stealing his clothes and artwork and selling them.

6) She sued for wrongful termination, lost, and wound up owing Jackson hundreds of thousands of dollars.

7) The judge found her actions throughout had been malicious.

8) She was advised during the wrongful termination suit that if she claimed she’d witnessed abuse, Jackson might settle to shut her up.

9) She took that advice, despite prior testimony that she saw nothing.

10) She started selling stories to tabloids and TV show for tens of thousands of dollars.

11) Several of her stories have been totally disproved, such as that Jackson had no nose, so kept a jar of noses & a tube of glue beside his bed & chose a new nose every morning.

12) She has admitted under oath to perjuring herself in legal proceedings regarding Jackson.

13) She continues to earn her income selling Jackson stories and selling items she stole from his home, including what she claims are clumps of his hair.

14) The Sun knows everything I’ve just told you, but deliberately left it all out of the story, for which McManus was almost certainly paid, as usual.







caramella‏ @Caramelicedtea
Adrian McManus is quoted in various tabloids and in Taraborelli's bok claiming when the raid at Neverland happened she immediately ran to burn photos of naked kids MJ kept.
The only problem? She was sick that day and wasn't at the ranch when it was raided.







Kathryn Retweeted caramella
James knew about this footage!It's in his lawsuit but He never claims he had a ring in it! . He added that for effect in the film. If it is him, his timeline is still screwed, this footage is 1989, James said the fake ass wedding took place on 1988.






MJJLegion ‏ @MJJLegion
#MJFam: If you know of any brands or stores that are currently (double check first) selling Michael Jackson clothing/merchandise, please send the names and links and tag the stores in a reply below so that fellow MJ Fans can find great places to buy from! Thank you
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RazörFist Retweeted one vision
I just feel bad for what an invasive, privacy-shattering goatfuck this all is for anyone even remotely connected to it. All I did was three videos, and I get an unremitting deluge of attacks (bring it on, dickless wonders). I can only imagine what Culkin or Barnes' feed is like.






Verified account @Zigmanfreud
Shocker!! Video of 2011 interview with Wade Robson’s mom Joy contradicting Wade’s narrative has suddenly been taken off @YouTube less than a day after we tweeted about it. Gee, that’s not a ALL consistent with the cover up of a fraud!
Did anyone happen to save any of that video

Here it is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0ExeUtVSt4






MJJCommunity‏ @MJJCommunity
MJ was watched by the police, by the FBI and by
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Marina Ivanova‏ @marinapreslava
"When you kill someone, you steal life. When you say a lie, you steal the right of the other to the truth. When you betray someone, you steal the right to justice." - Khaled Hoseini
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Leaving Neverland Facts‏ @NeverlandFacts
Re hyperventilating over 30 yr jewelry store story well covered in its day: it was toy figurines and sunglasses bought, not rings. What happened then shows absurdity of Safechuck claim in #LeavingNeverland he and most famous celebrity of his day could easily shop for jewelry.
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Michaela‏ @Soh3yla
Facts about #LeavingNeverland
Why Dan Reed has cut out 45 minutes of it?
Because of the lies & contradiction discovered by #MJfam. Here they are
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RazörFist‏ @RAZ0RFIST
Imagine stacking the entire mainstream media with virulent propaganda against one family - that isn't even paid by the Michael Jackson Estate, for the record - and calling them 'bullies' when they dare to defend a man who can no longer defend himself. https://twitter.com/anthonyking1/status ... 4282795008





PHOENIX‏ @PhoenixLaNegra
PHOENIX Retweeted MFD
Please explain how Brandi Jackson, a woman working a regular job and not living off of her uncle’s royalties, has more of a motive for lying than does Wade Robson, a man currently appealing the dismissal of his multimillion dollar lawsuit against Michael Jackson’s Estate.

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Keya Morgan‏ @KeyaMorgan
HBO and the creator of Leaving Neverland just announced thier next documentary about Michael Jackson will be titled "Grooming Grandma" how Michael Jackson was grooming and sexually molesting two 95 year old grandmothers from London. They have a photo, so you can believe it.
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Justice for The Falsely Accused‏ @JuliaBerkowitz1
If Michael Jackson had really been a pedophile, the Chandler family would have been an absolute dream for him. Evan was absolutely ready to pimp his son out to MJ if MJ had given him the screenwriting career he wanted. He even offered MJ to live with Jordan.





Damien Shields‏ @damienshields
First LeavingNeverland claims MJ was grooming boys before he even met them, just by being Michael Jackson Now The Simpsons claim his participation in their show was part of elaborate grooming too? Give me a fucking break! Quit defaming a dead man





Marina Ivanova‏ @marinapreslava
Frank Cascio said that the kids and Michael were not alone in his bedroom, because he was not an idiot, and knew the risks, especially after being stabbed in the back by the Chandler family he was careful not to be alone with them, difficult coz the kids hounded him.
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caramella‏ @Caramelicedtea
caramella Retweeted The Sun
Adrian McManus was fired a year before MJ married Lisa, yer claims inside info on that marriage. Sony/atv already contained Elvis songs.





Sev Urbain‏ @SevUphoto
Wade asks his mother about their first trip to Neverland and his mother responds: ״I will take a look at what I have written, I have several versions, will let you know if I think it’s something that will benefit you״
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Dr. Andrew Greene‏ @AndrewGreene864
stories and lies were told to turn the public against him. However, it didn’t completely work. Now 10 years after he’s been dead, the media, which is 95% white, is at it again. They have invested every ounce into tearing him down, and quite frankly, it’s not going for them as
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@TMZ pretending a report from '89 - that made world headlines - and clearly reported MJ bought only 'toys & sunglasses', proves a 'wedding' alleged to have happened in '88.
5 seconds on Google debunks this.
Safe to assume Harvey Levin is covering for Weinstein/Oprah






kew1186‏ @KeastonWhite
Once had a brief convo with Randy Taraborelli after MJ died. He said he once made a joke on a talk show about MJ n Lisa Marie being registered at ToysRUs. MJ called him to express his disappointment because his marriage was really important to him. After that, Randy believed him.

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caramella‏ @Caramelicedtea
So Corey Feldman was pressured into taking a "neutral" stance on MJ in public.

Robert Newt was offered money by someone connected to Oprah to trash Mike again after the doc.

And @aaroncarter has been offered six figures to claim things.






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My OG partna, Bay area Street legend Ron Newt was offered $200,000 to lie and say Michael Jackson touched his kids. Ron was trying to contact me since Saturday because he was coming to LA and he wanted to share some more info about the MJ case. Ron mysteriously died yesterday
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Update: The Estate of Michael Jackson will be in court tomorrow (3/15/19) to expedite the hearing date if HBO won't agree to arbitrate.












Michael Jackson's HideOut‏ @mjhideout
Safechuck in #LeavingNeverland:
"The last time I talked to him was near the end of the trial. And he tried again to... he wanted me to testify."

Trial ended June 13th '05.

Judge Melville ruled on March 28th '05 no witnesses or evidence related to Safechuck would be permitted
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Safechuck in #LeavingNeverland:

"The last time I talked to him was near the end of the trial. And he tried again to... he wanted me to testify."

Trial ended June 13th '05.

Judge Melville ruled on March 28th '05 no witnesses or evidence related to Safechuck would be permitted

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https://pagesix.com/2019/03/14/jackson- ... I1QShdzybs

Jackson kids consider filing lawsuit against Wade Robson and James Safechuck
By Derrick Bryson Taylor March 14, 2019

Following the airing of HBO’s explosive documentary “Leaving Neverland,” Michael Jackson’s kids – Prince, Paris and Prince Michael Jackson II, aka “Blanket” — are considering filing a lawsuit against alleged sexual abuse victims Wade Robson and James Safechuck.

The potential suit, according to a source close to the family, would be for fraud, emotional distress, slander and misrepresentation.

Both Robson and Safechuck appeared in the documentary alleging they were sexually abused by the late pop legend, who died in 2009.

News of the siblings’ plans comes weeks after the Jackson family slammed the documentary, declaring it wasn’t “telling the truth.”

We’re told Prince, Paris and Blanket are not seeking money, but that any money awarded would be given to charity.

Instead of cash, the kids want Robson and Safechuck to accept “responsibility” and to give an “apology.”

The family source added, “It’s very important to them they carry forward” their father’s “legacy of philanthropy and humility.”

In late February, the Jackson estate sued HBO for breach of contract and believes it could be awarded at least $100 million in damages.

After the premiere of the documentary at the Sundance Film Festival, Robson and Safechuck said finding each other was an important part of their decision to share their stories.

Both men claim they were not paid for their participation in the documentary.

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Messaggio da soulmum » 15 marzo 2019, 9:39

It's getting ridiculous.


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Thank you for making us aware. We can confirm there are currently no Michael Jackson songs on official Starbucks Spotify Playlists. Would you mind sharing the store location so we can follow-up?






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Dan Reed Tries To Defend His “Shockingly Unethical” Film “Leaving Neverland”

Posted On 14 Mar 2019
Described as “shockingly unethical” by journalist Charles Thomson, who has written extensively about Michael Jackson’s treatment in the media, and full of “lying” by documentary maker and media analyst John Ziegler, Dan Reed has attempted to defend Leaving Neverland amidst growing condemnation.
Unsurprisingly, Leaving Neverland has made an explosive splash. Everyone has an opinion on the King of Pop and many of those opinions are not savoury. And after viewing Reed’s film, those on the fence will have the same conclusion as Michael Jackson’s detractors: that he did it.

Despite being completely one-sided, and by the director’s own admission, having none of its facts verified, Reed has attempted to defend his two-part film about sexual abuse allegations against Jackson. For those that don’t know, Leaving Neverland, features the stories of two men, each of whom claim to have been molested by the pop icon throughout their adolescent years.

These are allegations have been repeatedly denied by the Jackson family. Wade Robson, one of the alleged victims, met Jackson after being crowned the winner of a dance contest in his native home of Australia at the age of five. James Safechuck, the other alleged victim, was filming an advertisement for Pepsi with the singer just before his ninth birthday, which is how they encountered each other.

The men said Jackson had warned them continuously to keep the abuse a secret when they were children, while also allegedly pressuring them to defend him in any sexual abuse cases that were present at the time of his life.
Both Robson and Safechuck have been denounced by the family of Michael Jackson and by loyal fans of the artist as “opportunists” and “admitted liars” who aim to get life changing finances from their plot against the singer. Jackson’s estate has sued HBO and called the documentary, “A one-sided marathon of unvetted propaganda to shamelessly exploit an innocent man no longer here to defend himself.”

The documentary sought no comment from either the estate or the Jackson family, which is one of its main criticisms, however, director Reed addressed said criticism by – surprisingly – stating: “This isn’t a film about Michael Jackson.”

Instead, Reed insisted (On CBS This Morning): “It’s a film about Wade Robson and James Safechuck, two little boys to whom this dreadful thing happened long ago. It’s the story of their coming to terms with that over two decades and the story of their families. As far as including other eyewitnesses to that, there was no one else in the room, I don’t believe, when Wade was being molested by Michael or when James was having sex with Michael.”

Both the controversy, and the notoriety of Leaving Neverland, were expected, but perhaps not quite to this extent. Reed has expressed that due to the allegations being directed against Jackson himself, the documentary included some of the things he said whilst he was still alive, along with previous statements from his lawyers.

He also expressed: “What was important for me was to have eyewitnesses or people who could add something to the story. I don’t know that the Jackson family has any direct knowledge of what happened to Wade and James. I don’t believe they do. If they do, then they should come forward.

“We know that the family and the estate and Jackson during his lifetime and his lawyers all deny that any sexual abuse took place, and those views are strongly represented in the film. We give those views a lot of time in the film on screen and we have people casting doubt on Wade’s change of heart.”
Both in previous televised interviews and in court, Robson repeatedly denied any molesting having taken place between him and Michael Jackson. However, in 2013, after suffering from several nervous breakdowns, Robson decided to tell what he claims to be the truth – the real story. This was brought up in a new lawsuit against the Jackson estate.

It was twelve months later when Safechuck decided to take the same steps, though he had also previously denied allegations of abuse between himself and Michael. Both cases were dismissed due to the statue of limitations, but this is something both men are now appealing.

Reed has been questioned as to why the men originally denied accusations and have decided to change their appeal after so many years, to which Reed has declared the population needs to be more understanding, and empathetic, to the bond that was forged between the boys and the singer – a bond that he believed was deeply complex.

“What people find it difficult to understand – and what I’ve always, making this film, found it sort of difficult to understand and very shocking – is the deep attachment formed between the abuser and the abused with this kind of grooming paedophile activity. So, both Wade and James were in love with Michael, even after the sexual activity stopped. They continued loving him and he was a close friend, particularly to Wade for many, many years.”

While this love from both Robson and Safechuck may seem strange, both men adamantly believe that Michael was also in love with them, just as much as they were in love with him.

Not only does the documentary discuss the stories of the accusers, it includes various graphic accounts of the alleged encounters and an abundance of unsettling, disturbing details. In 2005, Jackson was acquitted of molesting a 13-year-old boy, and Reed has expressed that part of vetting those details included a “deep dive” into the other child sex abuse allegations against the singer that occurred in both 1993 and 2003.
Reed also regarded that the graphic details were necessary for people to understand the gravity of the accusations surrounding the now deceased King of Pop.

“I read a lot of the witness statements there and spoke to a lot of the investigators and I didn’t find anything that contradicted or cast any doubt whatsoever on Wade and James’s accounts.

“I think for many years Jackson got away with this image of being a bit of a child himself and being very affectionate with children and I wanted to make sure that people understood this wasn’t over-enthusiastic kissing or cuddling. This was sex. This was the kind of sex adults have, but he was having it with a little child.”

Reed’s work as a documentarian previously had a primary focus on crime and terrorism. He insists that he had no prior views or judgements on Jackson before starting work on this project – and that he came across the concept of it by accident.

“I certainly didn’t want to stake any reputation on a story that didn’t have a strong factual basis or that wasn’t true. So I did look, you know, throughout the two years of making the film, I looked for anything that could cast doubt or undermine Wade and James’ story. I found nothing at all. I found their stories to be very, very consistent. I found their families’ stories to be consistent with what they had told me.

“I was sitting down with a Channel 4 executive in the UK for breakfast one day and we said what are the big stories out there that people kind of think they know but maybe don’t really know and had never sort of been conclusively examined and Michael Jackson was one of those. I had someone do some research for three weeks. In a footnote in a forum was this reference to Wade and James litigating against the Michael Jackson estate. And that’s how I stumbled across this story and here we are now.”
Neither Robson nor Safechuck have been paid for their participation in the film, and according to Reed have “no future, past or present interest” in it.

Now, instead of bringing any clarity to the questions he posed himself, Reed has accomplished nothing more than posing new ones.







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“Leaving Neverland” Weaves A Provocative Narrative But Is It Just One Big Lie?

Posted On 14 Mar 2019
Once the dust has settled, Dan Reed’s calculated storytelling in Leaving Neverland reveals itself to be a continuation of the anti-Michael Jackson narrative bias in news media; cynical emotional manipulation built on lies and ulterior motive. Don’t believe me? See if this doesn’t change your mind
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When I posted my reaction to Dan Reed’s documentary Leaving Neverland, one person on Twitter said it was fake news, that, by extension, I was wittingly contributing to an anti-Michael Jackson media bias. That was certainly not my intention. However, by choosing to highlight the impact of the sordid events alleged by Wade Robson and James Safechuck I was stoking the fires of a narrative that is predisposed to accept the iconic pop singer’s guilt without questioning the facts.

And because Reed’s film is so one-sided – and admittedly effective in piecing together a story that, at face value, appears genuine – we must give ourselves a chance to allow the emotional manipulation of clever storytelling to settle. To take a step back. To consider other factors and other opinions and other potential witnesses and even undisputed facts that, according to investigative journalist and long-time reporter on matters related to Jackson’s life, Charles Thomson, “catastrophically undermine these men’s accusations”.

It is Thomson, author of One of the Most Shameful Episodes In Journalistic History (about media bias in relation to the pop singer’s 2005 trial), who is one of the few commentators acknowledging the holes in Reed’s film. Not only must we consider them given the severity of the crimes alleged, but we must also question if the film is riding a wave of #MeToo hysteria where “truth” is garnered from whatever gains viral traction.
The Truth Needs Only Sensationalism & The Appearance Of Validation

Not only does the film present a compelling story but a search on the internet quickly reveals supposedly supportive conjecture from sources that boast credibility (including Vanity Fair’s 10 Undeniable Facts About the Michael Jackson Sexual-Abuse Allegations) One article published on the BBC’s website questions whether Jackson’s legacy is forever tarnished but this twists public perception away from questioning where this concept originated (the hoopla surrounding Reed’s film) and fuels the Jackson-Is-Guilty narrative by peddling emotion with sensationalist stories of his songs being cut from radio playlists and his Neverland house value dramatically dropping.

His guilt is assumed in this viral cooking pot of media dissemination because, oh, look Canada isn’t playing his songs anymore, The Simpsons aren’t playing the Jackson episode anymore, and his house has dropped in value. All these factors detract from a considered look at what Leaving Neverland said happened. And they detract from accepted truths in a court of law: the fact Jackson was acquitted on child molestation charges in 2005 after the jury unanimously found him not guilty of all charges.
With no right to reply afforded anyone in defence of Michael Jackson, Leaving Neverland is understandably effective in weaving a seemingly credible story of guilt (but one that relies on carefully orchestrated cinematic technique to provoke emotion, favouring sentiment in order to massage supposed truths). Under the guise of being a “documentary” and offering the viewer the freedom to make up their own mind, Reed, Safechuck and Robson conspire to make up your mind for you. As John Ziegler says in his podcast World According to Zig, at the very least this film is completely unfair.

Reed has tried to counter the criticism of bias by saying he showed archive footage of Jackson’s own denials. But as Charles Thomson says, because these allegations were made after the singer had died, the only people who could offer a genuine counter argument were the people who had been litigating the two accusers over the past few years.
Oh, did you know Robson and Safechuck had been suing the Michael Jackson estate since 2013 for hundreds of millions of dollars? “This has generated thousands of pages of court documents – deposition transcripts, witness statements, disclosure motions, etc.,” notes Thomson. “That litany of paperwork includes so many contradictions. Their stories are constantly changing, they contradict their own prior versions of events, and one of them was caught lying under oath so brazenly that the judge ruled that no rational juror could believe his story.”

I’ll repeat that. A judge, experienced and qualified in discerning truth-tellers from fakers, said one of these men’s stories could not be trusted.





That, after the release of Leaving Neverland, was corroborated by Brandi Jackson, Michael’s niece, who declared Wade Robson a liar. Another convenience ignored by Reed’s film is the fact Brandi dated Robson. She told The Kyle and Jackie O Show: “When I was watching [Leaving Neverland], I was completely sickened by it, to be honest with you. The things that he was saying were so over the top and so ridiculous.”

Saying she did not believe her uncle was a paedophile, Brandi added: “[Wade] was not describing my uncle. He was describing a totally different person, but not my uncle. And that’s why this is a narrative that has changed… over the last 15 years. Everything that he’s ever said about my uncle is the complete opposite of who he was painting in this documentary.”

Reed also omits from his film the fact Wade twice testified under oath (once in 1993 and again in 2005) that Michael had never sexually molested him or behaved inappropriately. While some will believe his argument that he didn’t understand the inappropriate nature of his relationship with Michael as a child, it’s difficult to understand why he didn’t take his opportunity to stop an abuser of children when he testified as an adult in 2005.
Brandi, who was in a relationship with Wade for a decade, is adamant her ex-boyfriend is lying. She says he and James Safechuck are solely motivated by money. The film is perhaps their final attempt to get money out of the Jackson estate having been trying for the last seven years.

The Witnesses That Dan Reed Conveniently Ignored

Says Ziegler, “In my opinion, if you simply listen to the interview with an open mind, Brandi’s credibility speaks for itself. There will still be people who will understandably still believe Robson’s version, but there is no doubting that Brandi’s narrative makes a whole lot more sense. But again, the primary question here is, why was her existence censured from Leaving Neverland and why hasn’t she been interviewed on network television about all of this?!”

Taj Jackson, Michael’s nephew, has also questioned why Wade would be with Brandi if he was being abused by Michael (and, according to Wade, being discouraged from dating women). “He dated my cousin for over seven years and it’s really interesting because they left that out of [Leaving Neverland] – and he dated her during the time period that he’s getting supposedly molested by my uncle. I think it’s ridiculous especially since my uncle Michael was the one that basically brought them together. And so it throws off the whole narrative of Michael Jackson only wanting [Wade] for himself or teaching him to hate women.”
Taj is now developing a a counter-documentary according to NME to dispute the claims made in Leaving Neverland which will likely feature other children who befriended Michael Jackson – such as Macaulay Culkin and Corey Feldman – and who have stated that they neither witnessed nor were the victim of sexual abuse. Singer Aaron Carter, who was friends with Jackson when he was a teenager, told TMZ he had the “time of my life with Michael”, adding “I hung out with Michael Jackson, I stayed at his house, I stayed in his bedroom … it’s hard for me to understand [the accusations in Leaving Neverland] – how am I supposed to understand that when my own personal experience with him was gentle and beautiful and loving and embracing.”

What is ultimately revealing in the fallout of Leaving Neverland is how news media is failing those it purports to inform. “One of the many difficulties in telling a version of events which is contradictory to someone the news media — as opposed to the courts — has determined is a “sex abuse victim” (especially those who, like Robson and Safechuck, have been sanctified by Oprah Winfrey on HBO) is that, particularly post #MeToo, no one data point can ever been seen as a “smoking gun” that their allegation is false,” notes Ziegler.

“However, when viewed in the full context of Robson’s already suspect narrative, I strongly believe that Brandi’s version of events comes as close as possible to being just that (as do many other non-Jackson fans who have spent the time to hear her, and her cousin Taj, out).

For Charles Thomson, this is a continuation of a news media bias that has been peddled for years. Speaking about the coverage of the 2005 trial, he says: “It seemed to me that the media was just loathe to accept the possibility that Jackson could be innocent. Most reporters seemed to already be convinced of Jackson’s guilt because they thought he was a weirdo.”
It almost didn’t matter that Michael Jackson’s innocence was proven in a court of law (“All too often you see right-wing pundits making comments like, “Not guilty is not the same as innocent.”) Indeed, Thomson notes how the prosecution had every advantage to win their case (but “failed to produce a single piece of tangible evidence connecting Jackson to any crime”) and ended up parading witnesses who “collapsed under cross-examination” with the other half “helping the defence rather than the prosecutors.”

He remembers a story by reporter J. Randy Taraborrelli, who was covering the trial and said he was with the press pack queuing for their court passes when a well-known female reporter from a big magazine said: “Does ANYONE here believe Michael Jackson is innocent besides J. Randy Taraborrelli!?”

That story, argues Thomson, “sums up much of the media’s attitude towards the trial: “We know he’s guilty. This is a waste of time. They should just lock him up now.” It tainted their reporting, consciously or otherwise.”
Setting The Narrative, Disregarding The Truth

Leaving Neverland has stirred up similar misreporting and misinformation around Michael Jackson that makes Reed’s effort – supposedly giving sex abuse victims a voice – at the very least distasteful, at worst, as Thomson states, “shockingly unethical”.

“Looking back on the Michael Jackson trial, I see a media out of control,” said the writer of One of the Most Shameful Episodes In Journalistic History. “The sheer amount of propaganda, bias, distortion and misinformation is almost beyond comprehension. Reading the court transcripts and comparing them to the newspaper cuttings, the trial that was relayed to us didn’t even resemble the trial that was going on inside the courtroom. The transcripts show an endless parade of seedy prosecution witnesses perjuring themselves on an almost hourly basis and crumbling under cross examination. The newspaper cuttings and the TV news clips detail day after day of heinous accusations and lurid innuendo.”

We’re seeing some of the same things now. Says Ziegler, “Not being armed with even the basic facts (inexplicably, and quite tellingly, Brandi Jackson is not even mentioned), the audience, including the media, was easily manipulated into being able to disregard even the biggest holes in their stories, and to gladly accept even the most bizarre rationalisations for their nonsensical actions. Once Oprah, an abuse victim herself, effectively validated their stories (even as Safechuck, who barely participated in the post-movie interview, sweated noticeably right in front of her), the preferred narrative was set, and nothing would then be allowed to credibly contradict it.”
Instead of the trial vindicating Michael Jackson, the media’s irresponsible coverage made it impossible. “The legal system may have declared him innocent but the public, on the whole, still thought otherwise. Allegations which were disproven in court went unchallenged in the press. Shaky testimony was presented as fact. The defence’s case was all but ignored,” notes Thomson.

Being critical of Leaving Neverland is not about silencing or shaming victims. That is despite British journalist Louis Theroux, a documentary filmmaker I admire, saying the exact opposite. But if we consider all the facts – facts that we’re not privy to in Reed’s film – we are likely to conclude Leaving Neverland does far more harm to abuse victims than it does good.

Diana Michaels, in her piece entitled “Leaving Neverland Debunked in 10 Minutes or Less”, states: “Abuse survivors need our support, and they especially need to be listened to when they are brave enough to speak out. However, we have to be cautious to not let the #MeToo movement jump the shark. If we accept all allegations without turning a critical eye when necessary, and we allow the #MeToo movement to justify putting the dead on trial, we won’t be doing anything but opening Pandora’s box. And real survivors of abuse deserve better than that.”

The sadness and anger that I felt after watching Reed’s film because I, at first, believed the accusers now remains for a very different reason. I’m angry that Leaving Neverland had that impact on me because I now feel duped, and I’m saddened that Jackson’s family and children have to endure such a negative media circus while his legacy is questioned. If there are stories to be told from behind the closed doors of Michael Jackson’s bedroom, Reed’s film is not the place to start hearing them.

Words by Dan Stephens






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Leaving Neverland: Wade Robson EXPOSED for 'lying about Michael Jackson abuse'

The author of a Michael Jackson biography has questioned the facts presented by the singer's victims
The damning documentary Leaving Neverland by filmmaker Dan Reed has divided opinion as it exposed legendary singer Michael Jackson as a predatory child sex offender.

With testimony by Wade Robson and James Safechuck about their childhood in the presence of Jacko, it paints a grim picture of persistent abuse, that could have been repeated with a host of children between the ages of seven and 11 years old.




The author of a Jackson biography, Mike Smallcombe, has hit back at the allegations and in speaking to Express Online, has looked to 'expose Wade Robson as a liar' and therefore discredit his claims.

Smallcombe has said there is evidence that Robson has repeatedly lied about Jackson and was deemed an 'unreliable witness' when quizzed about allegations of abuse in the past.
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He said that Leaving Neverland only gave one side of the story and that there was no mention of the 'nervous breakdown' suffered by Robson in 2012, as he 'pursued Jackson with his allegations'.

Smallcombe said Robson described himself as a "master of deception," when hawking a book about the sexual abuse and that he tried to 'force the Jackson Estate into a financial settlement', so not to go public with his claims.


Smallcombe reiterated that, "the judge disregarded his sworn statements," and that Robson was “caught lying repeatedly.”
When asked about his memories of the first nights in Neverland with Jackson, Robson told the trial judge, "that he 'did not know' if his memory of that night 'came from (his) own recollection or it was told to (him) by someone else."

At the time, Jackson estate attorney Howard Weitzman said Robson was, "trying to hide evidence before his cases were dismissed."
Smallcombe also claims that Weitzman said: ''Robson lied under oath and stated that, other than one brief email in late 2012, he had had 'no written communications' with anyone (other than his attorneys) about his newly-concocted allegations that he was abused by Jackson.
"This turned out to be a complete and utter lie."

What is for certain is that there are two sides to every story but from the 'evidence' shared on Leaving Neverland, it is difficult to look beyond the allegations laid at the feet of Jackson but this proves that the battle between Robson and the singer's estate has been ongoing and messy for some time.

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RazörFist Retweeted Quench My Desire
...AND he only miraculously found said 'evidence' after filming had wrapped, and they were shooting pick-ups. So he came back and showed them the 'child wedding ring'... that still somehow fits the middle finger of a 41-year-old man.

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Samar @TheMJAP Retweeted The Sun
The FBI are LITERALLY taking down the American government but couldn't take down Michael Jackson after investigating him for 10 years?!
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I THOUGHT HE WAS GUILTY ...I was wrong Michael Jackson Wade Robson and the Victim Society in America
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https://www.southcoasttoday.com/enterta ... -neverland
Another positive article.






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Currently at just over $90K #MJFam. Let's see if we can get to $95K by Monday!
https://uk.gofundme.com/untitled-michae ... ary-series






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A Facebook post from Mike Garcia, one of Michael's bodyguards.
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Just wish the tabloids had taken notice of this before publishing this old news about nude photographs in 2019!
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STREAMMJMUSIC JusticeforMJ‏ @sim_moonwalker

2011 Radio interview of Joy Robson which keeps getting removed "miraculously" from YouTube
She CLEARLY debunking all the claims, timeline in LN
Wade:
MJ molested me from age 7 to 14
Reed:
MAIN abused happened when WR was 7to9 yo
Bitch HOW
WR was NEVER IN US AT age 7







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"What bothers me most about how people perceive Michael because they never knew Michael as a man they did not know that Michael was a man who laughs, has fun and shares the understanding of mankind."

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Michael Jackson desensitized white America to the black man and to black culture. He managed to single handedly, with a single glove, create a ‘post-racial’ America. Michael Jackson was the first and the most visible international post-racial figure that this country has ever seen
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w85r1jFQcBA
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I've been asked again today about 'separating the art from the artist' and 'banning' Michael's music. I've made my position clear numerous times that NO! We should not and will not be banning his music. I discussed the topic recently on Sky News.







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The Jackson Family Feels Betrayed By Oprah After Interview
The Jackson family has been publicly denying the allegations of sexual abuse against Michael Jackson for years. With the recent release of the HBO “Leaving Neverland” documentary they’ve been even more vocal and diligent about protecting MJ’s legacy.

Taj and Brandi Jackson, Michael’s niece and nephew, tell the Tom Joyner Morning Show crew that the documentary is nothing but lies.

Taj says the documentary is based on “lies that are pretty much 20 years old.” He calls it “propaganda,” because the film is extremely “one sided,” and urges people to check their facts. “If you can watch a 4 hour documentary you can google and look up these guys,” he says.

Brandi dated one of the accusers, Wade Robson, when they were pre-teens in the 90s, and says it “started off as a young puppy love situation” and lasted about 7 years. Being that she was so close to Robson she says, it was “quite clear” to her when he was lying throughout the documentary. She insists that she could spend “hours tearing that timeline apart.”

According to the Jacksons, the Robson family is known for being untruthful and “opportunists.” They also feel that the interview that Oprah conducted with the accusers was the “ultimate betrayal,” suggesting that she too is an opportunist.
Taj Jackson says he’s working on a documentary to refute the claims against his uncle.
Click on the link to hear the audio.






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WHY OH WHY would an interview of Joy Robson that proves #MichaelJackson wasn't that much involved in Wade's life be RIPPED off Youtube? HMMM... any guesses? #LeavingNeverland Cover-UP Still in progress - (psssst -Who will tell them Estate already has copy on file? )

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Michael Jackson fan groups to sue accusers for 'sullying his memory'
Three Michael Jackson fan groups are suing his alleged victims in France for “sullying his memory” by taking part in the Leaving Neverland documentary, the fans’ lawyer told Agence France-Presse on Friday.

The Michael Jackson Community – which claims to be the “official fan club forum” – and the MJ Street and On The Line
groups accuse Robson Wade and James Safechuck of “lynching” Jackson.


The case, which will heard by a court in Orléans in northern France in July, follows reports that Jackson’s children were also considering taking legal action against the men, who say that Jackson sexually abused them when they were children.

Lawyer Emmanuel Ludot, who has previously successfully sued Jackson’s doctor for causing distress to his fans by giving him the drugs that killed him, said the groups “want to discredit the accusations of paedophilia” against Jackson.

Ludot said the “indignity of the extremely grave accusations” made by Wade and Safechuck in Leaving Neverland had sullied the memory of the singer, who died in 2009.

Jackson’s image had been affected by the allegations as well as “the whole community of his fans”, the lawyer said.

Leaving Neverland was first broadcast in the US on HBO earlier this month and has since broken streaming records in Britain.

The film has outraged some of Jackon’s fans, who have waged an often vicious social media campaign against his accusers.

A number of radio stations, from Australia to Canada have stopped playing Jackson’s music after the documentary was aired, and the creators of The Simpsons also shelved one of the animated series’ classic episodes because it featured Jackson’s voice.


French luxury brand Louis Vuitton dropped Jackson-themed clothing on Thursday from a collection it had shown at Paris fashion week in January, saying it found the “allegations in the documentary deeply troubling and disturbing”.

Virgil Abloh, the first black designer to lead a major Paris fashion house, was assailed by Jackson fans on social media for the decision.

“Shame on you for removing all items related to Michael Jackson,” one wrote on Instagram, while another accused him of being a “traitor … on the white people side”.

In 2014, French lawyer Ludot won nominal damages of €1 (80¢) from Jackson’s personal doctor Conrad Murray for the hurt he had caused to his fans for his part in the singer’s death.

Murray was jailed for four years for manslaughter for giving Jackson what turned out to be a lethal dose of the anaesthetic drug propofol to help him sleep.






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The Thing Is, Michael Jackson Is Innocent


By Tim Worstall -
March 15, 2019

That Michael Jackson may have been more than just a little bit dodgy is a fair enough comment. So too is the idea that he didn’t have an easy childhood, it’s the environment that makes us what we are and so on. And yet to insist that Michael Jackson is not – or was not to use grammar – innocent is to deny the very basis of civil rights and justice.

For we are all innocent until proven guilty. For those still alive, for we cannot libel the dead, it is actually libellous to insist otherwise.



Adverts declaring Michael Jackson innocent taken off London buses
Transport for London orders removal based on ‘public sensitivity and concern’; Simpsons producer meanwhile suggests Jackson appearance may have helped groom boys

That those funding the ads are weirdos is possibly true. That they’re wasting their money on their obsession could also be correct. But they are just stating an actual fact about our universe. Michael Jackson is indeed innocent. He’s not been convicted in a trial, with evidence, jury, the ability to confront his accusers and all that. He’s innocent.




We did in fact go through this:



People v. Jackson (full title: 1133603: The People of the State of California v. Michael Joe Jackson) was a 2004–2005 criminal trial held in Santa Barbara County Superior Court in which American singer Michael Jackson was charged with molesting Gavin Arvizo, a 13-year-old boy. Jackson was indicted for four counts of molesting a minor, four counts of intoxicating a minor to molest him, one count of attempted child molestation, one count of conspiring to hold the boy and his family captive, and conspiring to commit extortion and child abduction. He pleaded not guilty to all counts. The trial spanned approximately 18 months, from Jackson’s arraignment on January 16, 2004 to June 13, 2005. The jury delivered a verdict of not guilty on all charges, including four lesser misdemeanour counts.

Michael Jackson was tried and found not guilty. Michael Jackson is innocent. That’s that, all there is to it.






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i saw this video a few years ago and ive been looking for it since all this went down and finally found it how bashir directed and posed gavin arviso onto michael to hold hands and lean his head on his shoulder

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Just had a manager at Burger King actually congratulate me on wearing my MJ bad tour t shirt from hot topic. He said he considers himself as his #1 fan & he shook my hand. When I asked him why he chose to shake my hand he replied with cause of that bs documentary! I stan BK!!





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Ron Newt was offered $200k by the National Enquirer to say that Michael Jackson molested his kids. When it came time to sign the contract, Mr. Newt's signed as "no good sucker" because Newt refused the money. Mr. Newt passed away today. #RIP and thanks for your loyalty.
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Joseph Mora‏ @Joseph_Mora78

Follow the money...

Turns out, Safechuck's family trash business went bankrupt and their being sued for $840,086 dollars, according to a lawsuit filed in 2013... The year James Safechuck woke up and discovered MJ touched his peepee.

Coincidence?






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Brandi Jackson specifically says she didn't have sex with Wade til they were 18 & they dated since 12 after Michael himself set them up upon Wade's request who had a crush on her. Dan Reed dismisses all that to say they had sex at 12. Who's the real sicko?

Wade's timeline of abuse is 7-14, Brandi dated him for about 8 years including the time frame of that alledged "abuse" through all his teens. To dismiss that, Dan Reed straight up lies & says Wade was abused from 7-9. There's just one problem

Wade wasn't even in America, he was still in Australia. He never came to the US until turning almost 9. Michael didn't have any contact with him until he came & they tracked him down. Reed also tries to say Wade met his wife at 18 or 19 but here's the thing.

Like the fool that he is, Reed actually backs up Brandi's claim of being cheated on by Wade. They broke up around 19 or 20 & it just so happened that Wade was cheating on her by having sex with other women hence why she learned it wasn't his first time when she had sex with him

Dan Reed is complete fool. He doesn't know it but he just outted Wade Robson as a liar already. Next time, you should learn when to zip it. He was so pissed off at Brandi despite not even knowing her, he created an entire new narrative that doesn't make any sense.

Congrats Dan you just outted Wade without knowing it. James is next too. You're not gonna get away with this scam for long. Dissing the Jackson family is extremely cold & heartless especially when one of the members is a real CSA victim unlike your two cash cow fakers

the fact that this man just casually throws out things like "children enjoying anal sex" like it's nothing but good times is even more concerning. Somebody check this man's computer. He already has a background in pedophila working with his lackey Stinson Hunter.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... tions.html
Future of Michael Jackson West End musical Thriller Live is thrown into doubt after Prince’s Trust cuts ties with show following allegations of child abuse in Leaving Neverland documentary
•Charity run by Prince Charles has severed links to the popular West End show
•Spokesman said 'no future plans to work together, and after musical raised funds for the trust during 4000th peformance
•Comes after HBO documentary reignites sexual abuse claims against singer

By Alisha Rouse For The Daily Mail

Published: 01:59 GMT, 16 March 2019
The Prince’s Trust has cut ties with Michael Jackson musical Thriller Live following allegations the late singer abused young boys.

The show in London’s West End is based around Jackson’s music and hails his ability to ‘change the world’.

But its future has been thrown into doubt by the documentary Leaving Neverland, shown on Channel 4 last week.

It claimed Jackson, who died in 2009 at the age of 50, molested boys as young as seven. Now The Prince’s Trust, the youth charity founded by Prince Charles, has ended a partnership with the musical.
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Last September Thriller Live, which has run at the Lyric Theatre on Shaftesbury Avenue for ten years, committed to offering ‘experiences and mentoring’ with the trust for a year.

But all references to the tie-up have been cut from the show’s website. It is understood this was at the request of the trust.

The Prince’s Trust said: ‘All the activity has already taken place and there are no future plans to work together.’

In September, the musical raised funds for the trust during its celebratory 4,000th performance. Producers of Thriller Live refused to comment.

The Jackson family has denied all the claims in Leaving Neverland and his estate is suing HBO, which broadcast it in the US, for £75 million.
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The Estate vs HBO (Round 1) Weitzman's closing statement directed towards a HBO executive. Let's allow the judicial system to tear these claims apart and oblige these two frauds to come out and admit lying!

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So,they say "How do you know MJ was innocent, you didn't even know him"
Me:"How do you know Wade is telling the truth? You don't even know him"

All people who actually KNEW MJ describe him as a good person.
All the people who actually KNOW Wade aren't saying the same about HIM.





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Louis Vuitton Men's Pulls Michael Jackson-Inspired Clothing, Condemns Alleged Abuse by the Singer
In the wake of Leaving Neverland, the French fashion house is not producing its Michael Jackson-inspired pieces from the latest menswear collection


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Louis Vuitton’s Fall/Winter 2019 menswear collection drew a lot inspiration from performer Michael Jackson. From the backdrop (designed to resemble the “Billie Jean” music video set) to the graphic tees (which featured the singer’s infamous high socks and loafers), Jackson’s influence on the men’s artistic director, Virgil Abloh, was highly prevalent.

But since the release of the HBO documentary Leaving Neverland, and the controversy that has ensued from the claims made against the idolized pop star, the brand has decided not to produce any of its Jackson-inspired looks from the show. In addition to the T-shirt, pieces in the collection featured Jackson’s character from the 1978 film The Wiz. And some models wore bedazzled white gloves (one of Jackson’s signatures) down the runway.
Leaving Neverland follows the story Wade Robson and James Safechuck who allege that the singer sexually molested both of them at separate times when they were children
Both LVMH, the owner of Louis Vuitton, and Abloh, released a statement to WWD about their decision to pull any Jackson-themed items from the line. “I am aware that in light of this documentary the show has caused emotional reactions. I strictly condemn any form of child abuse, violence or infringement against any human rights,” Abloh said in a statement to WWDthis link opens in a new tab.

The outlet reported that the brand said that it were “unaware” of the documentary before the men’s collection debuted, and it caused the house “the greatest pain.” (The show took place on January 17, while Leaving Neverland screened at Sundance on January 25.)
RELATED: Lies, Abuse & Trauma: The Biggest Bombshells About Michael Jackson from Leaving Neverland

“We find the allegations in the documentary deeply troubling and disturbing,” said Michael Burke, Vuitton’s chairman and chief executive officer. “Child safety and welfare is of utmost importance to Louis Vuitton. We are fully committed to advocating this cause.”
Abloh has often been influenced by the pop star before. He named his first collection “We Are the World,” after Jackson’s 1985 single and his second collection drew heavy influence from The Wiz.
In an interview with The New Yorker this link opens in a new tabearlier this year, he said he hadn’t heard of the documentary at the time, but that he was focusing on “the Michael that I thought was universally accepted, the good side, his humanitarian self.”
He also reiterated the statement to WWD. “My intention for this show was to refer to Michael Jackson as a pop culture artist. It referred only to his public life that we all know and to his legacy that has influenced a whole generation of artists and designers,” Abloh said in his statement.

In February Jackson’s estate filed a lawsuit against HBO claiming the documentary violates a non-disparagement clause in which the network agreed to not speak ill of the singer and also cited Jackson’s 2005 acquittal of child molestation charges against him, according to court documents obtained by PEOPLE.

Jackson’s brothers Tito, Marlon, Jackie and the singer’s nephew Taj, defended him in an interview with CBS This Morning, in which they refuted the claims made in the documentary, though they admitted they hadn’t yet viewed it.







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Joy Robson told Jermaine/@SteveDennis71 that they had been offered six figures to claim abuse the year before Wade started writing a book seeking six figures from book publishers.

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WAKE UP people! The conspiracy to destroy Michael Jackson's image is real. To literally murder him, sell his Sony catalog is all real. And now to try to destroy his name & legacy is real. When big money and power are involved, evil people do anything and everything to gain it.






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Joy Robson GROOMED her son to love #MichaelJackson- came to US in a state of need asking MJ for help- He set up connections for Wade and employment for Joy. Joy wanted MORE. MJ helped in her immigration to US. She wanted more - Her ENTITLEMENT had no bounds






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One of the people who look terrible in the Michael Jackson case is @markgeragos, who should apologize for being a bully who discouraged others from coming forward. Amot.

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Mark Geragos Retweeted Hrag

That press conference had nothing to do with his accusers. It was specifically directed at the two adult men who wiretapped MJ and were indicted and plead guilty and went to Federal Prison. But thanks for the heads up as maybe now I have a cause of action.






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Oof, that ratio.
Imagine watching the film AFTER 40+ minutes were chopped out to cover up timetable inconsistencies, with the filmmaker now lying to cover his ass, and still being such a susceptible strumpet that some mood lighting and drone photography sways you regardless.







Charles Thomson‏ @CEThomson

Leaving Neverland coverage becoming increasingly desperate. Today’s offerings: A total non-story about it not being on Gogglebox & a fictitious story about the Prince’s Trust ‘cutting ties’ with Thriller Live (they did a one-off project together a year ago & it was already over).








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Wade Robson has a different story to tell PRIOR to MJEstate refusing to hire him for MJONE .. .. Noticed the red underlined part .. "really didn't keep in touch" OH !! How did MJ "groom" if they didn't stay in touch?
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The MJ Tribute show last night saw a packed house with audiences grooving the full 90mins. Ages 5 to age 65 were in attendance and when they put up the ‘facts don’t lie...’ poster there was a deafening applause.. mute who?





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According to Michael's attorney, Tom Mesereau, multiple witnesses were prepared to testify Jordan told them he was pressured by his father to accuse MJ for money in '93. They never had to be called, as Jordan Chandler fled the country to avoid testifying.

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THE BELOW IS NOT TRUE - JUST JOURNALISTS LYING FOR GAIN

https://www.tmz.com/2019/03/16/paris-ja ... DsYE-Az8Wk

Paris Jackson was hospitalized Saturday after she attempted suicide -- and family sources tell us it's due in large to the fallout from "Leaving Neverland."

Law enforcement sources tell us police and EMS responded to Paris' LA home at 7:30 AM. We're told Michael Jackson's only daughter slit her wrists. Our sources say she was transported to a hospital and placed on 5150 hold. She's currently in stable condition.

Sources with knowledge tell us Paris did this in direct response to the allegations made against her father in "Leaving Neverland" -- a documentary in which Wade Robson and James Safechuck accuse MJ of molesting them as children.

As we reported ... Paris was standing firm behind her dad and maintaining his innocence, even though she hadn't seen the doc yet. We're told the Jackson kids have been in turmoil over the renewed allegations ... and that they feel the doc was one-sided and unfair.

The fallout from "Leaving Neverland" has been severe. Michael's music and TV appearances have been getting muted since HBO aired the project.

Paris has had a hard time since her dad's death in 2009. She attempted suicide back in 2013 as well, and has been open about her struggles with depression in the past.

Our sources say Paris is currently being closely monitored by a team of doctors.

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So to sum up, @ParisJackson is fine, #MJOne CANNOT be "cancelled" and the "removal" of MJ is knee-jerk panic and will be temporary.
Now let's focus on more fact telling!







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There is NEWS :
ABOUT THE LAWSUIT OF FRENCH FANS The lawyer summoned Wade Robson and James Safechuck, both witnesses in the documentary, to the Orléans District Court on 4 July at 9:00.… https://www.instagram.com/p/BvF5R15jrw6 ... niwhaqpqv2







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We are not going to standby and allow the media bullying of Paris. Nope! Not going to have it! The media assault of Paris will not STAND. You media bastards took her father, you’ve tried to destroy his legacy and now you’re going after her! No! Enough is Enough!!






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Joseph Mora‏ @Joseph_Mora78 · 12h12 hours ago

It's worth noting the founder of @TMZ, #HarveyLevin funded Leaving Neverland. Now spreading more lies about @ParisJackson. Coincidence?
Shit like this doesn't write itself!
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MJ's entire legal team from Geragos to Mesereau, Ross, Yu & his PA Tavasci likely have strong grounds to sue Wade & James on multiple fronts, as well as the director & networks.
They allege that these parties directly participated in witness intimidation & bullying.






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Wow. Michael Jackson's ex-lawyer confirming that footage of him, regarding one case, was used completely 'out of context', regarding another case.
Why would a "respected documentary maker" do that?






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3/16/2019 by Associated Press


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The Children’s Museum of Indianapolis has removed three Michael Jackson items from exhibits after a new documentary renewed allegations of child sexual abuse against the late singer and Gary native.

The Indianapolis Star reports a fedora and glove Jackson wore onstage and a Jackson poster are no longer on display at the museum.

Chris Carron, the museum’s director of collections, says it wants items on display to tell stories of “people of high character.”

The HBO documentary Leaving Neverland featured accounts from two men who say Jackson groomed them for sex and molested them when they were young. Allegations of sexual abuse shadowed Jackson throughout much of his adult life. Jackson was acquitted on child molestation charges in 2005. He died in 2009.

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"Just watch the film," everybody kept saying. Okay, I have watched it. I can honestly say now that this IS a powerfully emotionally manipulative film and after viewing it, I do feel better able to understand some of the initial reactions to it. It's also a very disturbing film

but NOT for the reasons it alleges. It's disturbing in its attempt to "normalize" an adult/child sexual relationship as love and romance. After about an hour in, it becomes obvious that this is less a tale of abuse than one of bruised egos when their sense of entitlement didn't

live up to their expectations. I would also daresay it is a powerful expose' on the cult of celebrity worship and misplaced values (but here the blame has to lie with these families who relentlessly pursued him in search of personal gain and the thrill of being caught up in his

aura). The film basically shapes up as four hours of these two families blaming Michael for everything that has gone wrong in their own lives. More thoughts to come tomorrow.

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James saying that HE was (before any abuse allegedly happened) attracted to MJ, then when we already have that on mind, he says one day him and MJ fell asleep on the bed but when he woke up MJ was in another room and he (James) was "hurt by that" and he asked MJ to stay.

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Michael Jackson's former nanny defends him against new sex abuse allegations in HBO's 'Leaving Neverland'

In a rare public statement, Grace Rwaramba said she never witnessed sex abuse.

By Chris Francescani and Santina LeuciMar 7, 2019 11:41 PM ET

The simmering debate over last weekend's new HBO documentary “Leaving Neverland” could be heating up again.

One of Michael Jackson’s longest-serving employees has come forward to defend the late pop star, saying that in all the years she worked for Jackson she never witnessed, suspected or learned of any sexual abuse of children by the pop star.

In a lengthy statement released to ABC News, Grace Rwaramba – the former nanny to Jackson’s children, Prince Michael I, Paris and Prince Michael II (known as ‘Blanket’), who worked for Jackson for 17 years – described her former boss as hopelessly naïve to manipulation and incapable of hurting children.

“If Michael harmed Wade Robson and James Safechuck, they have my deepest sympathy and compassion,” Rwaramba said in the statement, referring to the two men featured in the documentary. “I don’t claim to know what happened between Michael and his accusers. I wasn’t there.”
“However, because Michael is no longer here to defend himself, and because I have a unique view of him and the life he lived, I feel compelled to speak out against what I firmly believe to be false claims. The person that Wade and James describe is not the person that I knew.”

“He was trusting to the point of extreme naivete; always assuming the best intentions in everyone,” Rwaramba said of Jackson in the statement. “While he was far from perfect, in my over twelve years of living with Michael, knowing him and his lifestyle intimately, I never saw or experienced anything that led me to suspect that he was capable of child sexual abuse.”
In the controversial film, the two men graphically detailed alleged child sexual abuse at the hands of Jackson, who died in 2009 at the age of 50. They claimed that Jackson introduced them, separately, to pornography and masturbation and digitally violated them on multiple occasions.

In one of the most talked-about scenes in the documentary, Safechuck pushes a child-sized, diamond-inlaid gold band on to the tip of his adult finger. He contends in the film that Jackson gave him the ring as part of a secret, mock wedding ceremony the two held when Jackson was 30 and Safechuck was 10.

"I was really into jewelry and he would reward me with jewelry for doing sexual acts for him," Safechuck said in the HBO film.

The documentary has sparked a re-examination of Jackson's legacy, more than a decade after the pop singer was acquitted of child sex abuse charges involving a 13-year-old in California -- home to his 'Neverland' ranch.
Since it aired earlier this month, several radio stations in Canada and New Zealand have reportedly stopped playing Jackson's music, and in Manchester, England, a statue of the singer has been removed from the National Football Museum, according to the BBC.

Jackson's estate has sued HBO for $100 million for allegedly breaching a previous, 1992 non-disparagement agreement as part of a contract to air Jackson's "Dangerous" tour. Jackson estate lawyers did not seek to prevent broadcast of the documentary, which aired this month on March 3 and 4, but rather claimed that the previous agreement was breached by airing the "Leaving Neverland" documentary.

“HBO breached its agreement not to disparage Michael Jackson by producing and selling to the public a one-sided marathon of unvetted propaganda ... [in] a film where they knew the two subjects had for many years testified under oath and told family, friends and law enforcement that Mr. Jackson did nothing inappropriate to either of them."

HBO network executives said in a statement issued earlier this week that the lawsuit was an effort to "undermine" the film.

“Despite the desperate lengths taken to undermine the film, our plans remain unchanged," the statement reads. "HBO will move forward with the airing of Leaving Neverland, the two-part documentary, on March 3rd and 4th. This will allow everyone the opportunity to assess the film and the claims in it for themselves.”

Attempts by ABC News to reach Robson and Safechuck for comment on Rwaramba's statements were unsuccessful. A spokesman for the film directed requests for comment to the two men's attorney. The attorney provided ABC News with a statement in response to Rwaramba's comments.

"Ms. Rwaramba admits in her statement that she does not know what happened between Michael and his accusers," attorney Vince Finaldi said in the written statement. "As a longtime employee of MJJ productions she has a vested interest in defending Jackson and his estate."

"It is sad that she had chosen to disparage a victim of child sexual assault and his family in order to do so," Finaldi continued in the statement. "This is a continuation of the campaign of false information, character assassination, victim blaming and shaming that the Jackson corporate lawyers heap on any child or adult who speaks the truth about Mr. Jackson’s sexual behavior with children. These attacks have kept many of Mr. Jackson’s victims silent. It will not stop Wade or James from speaking the truth.”

'60 to 100 employees'

Rwaramba played a pivotal role in Jackson's life for more than a decade before his death. She traveled with Jackson and the children to Bahrain and Ireland following Jackson's 2005 child molestation acquittal. In 2008 she testified in Jackson's defense during a breach-of-contract trial brought against the singer by a Bahranian sheik.

"Grace was like the mother, and Michael was the father," Jackson friend and filmmaker Bryan Michael Stoller told Time Magazine in 2009. "The only person I saw get close to the kids besides Michael was Grace."

“The Robsons’ ambition and self-interest knew no bounds.”

Rwaramba contended in her statement that there was an "army" of people working at Jackson’s California ranch whenever the iconic artist was there, and that it would have been extremely difficult for the star to molest visiting children.

“I was at Neverland when many of the family friends would come and go," Rwaramba said in the statement. "At any given time, anywhere between 60 to 100 employees worked in security, maintenance, housekeeping, grounds, the kitchen, and many other roles. Maintaining the ranch in such immaculate shape took an entire army of workers that were always around.”
Jackson was first accused of child abuse in 1993 by Jordan Chandler. That accusation led to an extensive law enforcement investigation but no indictment. Jackson reportedly settled a civil lawsuit in 1994 with an undisclosed payment to Chandler's family.

A decade later, Jackson was charged with seven counts of child sexual abuse and two counts of administering an intoxicating agent to commit felony child sex abuse against Gavin Arvizo. In June, 2005, Jackson was acquitted of all charges.

'Every night that I was with him, there was abuse'

In the documentary, the two men -- Robson, now 36, and Safechuck, now 41 – claimed they were each individually abused by the pop star, Robson beginning when he was 7-years-old and Safechuck beginning when he was 10.

"Once the abuse started within that first week, every night that I was with him, there was abuse. While my mother was you know, next door," Robson said in an interview with Oprah Winfrey titled "After Neverland," which directly followed the release of the documentary on HBO.

“If Michael harmed Wade Robson and James Safechuck, they have my deepest sympathy and compassion. I don’t claim to know what happened between Michael and his accusers. I wasn’t there.”

Safechuck said he first met the pop star while shooting a soda commercial at age 10. He claims that after developing a friendship with Jackson, he was also abused by the singer in secret hideaways throughout Neverland Ranch and in hotel rooms while on tour.

Safechuck also said Jackson would make him participate in "drills" where "he would pretend like somebody was coming in and you had to get dressed as fast as possible without making noise."

When sexual misconduct allegations against Jackson surfaced in 1993, both Robson and Safechuck testified on the singer's behalf, saying he never molested or touched them in appropriately. Robson did again in 2005, prior to Jackson's acquittal on child abuse charges.

But now the two men have come forward to claim that they were, in fact, sexually abused by the singer – and that it took becoming fathers themselves for them to recognize themselves as victims of childhood abuse by the singer.
Robson told Winfrey that when he testified he had “no understanding that what Michael did to me sexually was abuse. I had no concept of it being that.”

“From night one of the abuse, of the sexual stuff that Michael did to me, he told me it was love,” Robson said. “He told me that he loved me and God brought us together. … Anything Michael would say to me was gospel.”

'Ambition and self-interest'

Rwaramba, who acknowledges she doesn’t know whether or not Jackson molested the two men, described Robeson and his mother as determined to use Jackson’s fame and celebrity to make him a star.

“I know Wade Robson and his family well,” Rwaramba said in the statement. “I first met Joy Robson back in the early 90s, when I was at MJJ Productions. In late 1994, I attended the release party of Wade’s first album in California. I distinctly recall Joy running that event as though her life depended on it. After that release party, I didn’t see the Robsons again until early 1997, when Wade joined several other families at Neverland after Prince was born.”
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“Over the years, I got to know the Robsons well as they visited the ranch on many different occasions,” Rwaramba continued in the statement. “Neverland was an enchanting place where the butlers, cooks, maids, zookeepers, gardeners and other staff made every guest feel like royalty, and everyone person who was fortunate to visit loved it!”

“The one thing that was consistent about the Robsons over the years was Joy's steely resolve to turn Wade into a star,” Rwaramba said in the statement. “When all the other kids, often including Michael, were off having water balloon fights or watching a movie in the theater, Joy would be drilling Wade on a dance move and every so often wave Michael over for some tips.”

“On one such occasion, Michael sat next to me as I was watching Prince and we watched Wade practice under Joy’s focused inspection. He said to me, “she reminds me of Joseph,” referring to his father’s obsession with perfection. Unbeknownst to Joy, that was her nickname. Michael had a nickname for everyone. This was the only time I ever heard him compare anyone to his father. Also, despite his complicated past with Joseph, he meant this observation as a compliment.”
Several years after his 2009 death, both men sued the Jackson estate civilly for child sexual abuse, but the lawsuits were dismissed due to statutes of limitations. Both men are appealing the separate decisions, according to the documentary.

In the interview with Winfrey, Robson said he was forced to lie on the witness stand at Jackson's 2005 trial and elsewhere, and that the lawsuit was an effort to do "something good with this bad."

“Michael trained me and forced me to tell the lie for so many years, and particularly on the stand,” he continued. “And those were really traumatizing experiences for me that had a huge impact on the rest of my life. So the feeling was, I want an opportunity to reprocess that experience. I want to get on the stand again, because now I’m able to tell the truth.”

'Neverland' wedding bid

Rwaramba also claimed that Robson sought permission to hold his wedding at Neverland -– in the middle of Jackson’s 2005 criminal trial, for which he was acquitted of all charges.

“The Robsons’ ambition and self-interest knew no bounds,” Rwaramba wrote in her statement. “Several months before Michael was acquitted on all charges on June 13, 2005, he came home from court and informed me that I should expect a call from Wade. When Wade called the ranch, security patched the call through to Paris’s room where Michael and I spent most of our time preparing for the next day.

"I put him on speaker phone," Rwaramaba continued. "He informed me that Michael had advised him to contact me about whether he and his finance, Amanda, could have their wedding at Neverland in the fall. I was utterly shocked by how insensitive the request was; Michael was sitting next to me.

"’You know Grace, Neverland is so special to my family and me,’ Wade continued,” according to Rwaramba’s statement. “’Michael has been like a father to me, and it would mean the world to us if Amanda and I could get married at Neverland.’ I told Wade, this is not a good time, reminding him that Michael was in the middle of the fight for his life.”

(MORE: VIDEO: A look at the final days of Michael Jackson's life)

“A few days later, I was in Santa Barbara running errands when Joy called with the same request. I had previously helped Wade gain permission to film a music video at Neverland, which was a big favor considering the strict no cameras policy. I remember responding with a stern ‘do you seriously expect me to ask Michael, right now -- during the trial -- if you can use the ranch for Wade’s wedding?’

"After a moment of awkward tension, she conceded and dropped off the phone," Rwaramaba wrote in the statement. "Why would someone who alleges to have been assaulted for over seven years want to have one of the most sacred events in his life on the same property where the attacks allegedly took place?’”

(MORE: Joe Jackson, patriarch of musical Jackson family, has died)

A woman who answered the phone at the home of Lynnette Joy Robson declined comment, referring interview requests to a public relations spokesperson in New York, who referred ABC News to Finaldi, Robson and Safechuck's attorney.

“What I can't understand is why Wade would continue to voluntarily and consistently return, and bring friends and loved ones, to a place that is the site of the alleged attacks well into his adult life?” Rwaramba said in the statement.

Rwaramba, a Rwandan national, began working as a personnel director and assistant to Jackson in 1992, and became a nanny to his children beginning in 1997, when Jackson’s first child, Prince, was born.

“For twelve years, from 1997 to 2009, I was part of Michael’s family … I spent more time with Michael in the last twelve years of his life than anyone except his children.”

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I just spoke with @InStudioWithMJ and he is very credible. Most interestingly, he says he was in studio with Michael Jackson about 300 times (likely more) & there were only kids there on a handful of occasions, with Wade Robson (who claims abuse in studio) only there maybe twice.
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ESTATE: HBO's misconduct is so glaring that a young man mentioned by name in the Film [who] falsely asserts was molested by MJ, has himself retained counsel & threatened to sue HBO—shockingly, HBO & its partners never even bothered to seek his comment about the Film.








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@Zigmanfreud As you said: robson's lawsuit purports he suddenly realized 'abuse' in May 2012 - (yet he was shopping a failed tell-all book PRIOR to that)

AND YET

Here he is in Dec 2012, speaking right up, freely & positively aligning himself to Michael Jackson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhJNOiZjmtY





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Does no one find it a tad odd that robson or Safechuck haven’t done any further interviews? I suppose it’s hard to keep a consistent story going without the luxury or retakes and editing

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The media are printing this as fact - I prefer to believe Paris.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... d-doc.html
Paris Jackson emerges from hospital after suicide attempt and picks up KFC amid fallout from Leaving Neverland documentary that portrays her father as a prolific pedophile - but why does she cover up a certain word on back of her jacket?
•Reports emerged this morning that Paris Jackson had tried to take her own life
•The daughter of the disgraced pop star, 20, strenuously denied the claims online
•She said on Twitter 'lies lies lies omg and more lies', her people denied claims too
•Paris previously said she didn't see it as her role to defend against the allegations
•Despite her denials, a source said Paris had attended hospital after an 'accident'
•LA police later confirmed medics attended her home for an 'attempted suicide'
•In the evening she grabbed a KFC with her boyfriend and went to the movies
•She sported a 'Puppies, Wine and I'm Fine' branded jacket with 'Wine' covered up
•Documentary Leaving Neverland accused Michael of being a prolific pedophile

By Rod Ardehali and Lauren Fruen For Dailymail.com
Paris Jackson brushed off police reports of an attempted suicide yesterday by grabbing a KFC with her boyfriend - just hours after medics attended her Hollywood home amid suggestions she had slashed her wrist.

After emerging from hospital, the daughter of pop star Michael Jackson - accused of being a prolific pedophile before his death in 2009 - raised eyebrows by wearing a 'Puppies, Wine And I'm Fine' branded jacket - only with the word 'wine' deliberately covered over with what appeared to be Duct tape.

Paris, who is 20 and legally not allowed to drink alcohol, previously admitted her struggles with booze and reportedly secretly checked into rehab in mid-December.

The alteration appears to be a strong statement that alcohol won't be a feature in her life, despite arguing with her boyfriend in the late hours of Thursday night during an apparent ‘two-day bender' together in New Orleans.


It came following a tumultuous day for the millionaire heiress after reports she tried to take her own life in the wake of the monstrous accusations against her father.
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'At about 7:28 a.m. officers responded to the 7200 block of Hillside for an ambulance attempted suicide. The victim was transported to a local hospital,' a spokesperson for the department told DailyMail.com.

The reports were strenuously denied this morning by Paris, but disputed by TMZ who claim family sources said the attempt was linked to the allegations that Jackson used his star to sexually abuse minors.

But Paris tweeted a series of eyeroll emojis following the reports. She later added: 'lies lies lies omg and more lies' and a series of question marks.

TMZ, who said she was placed on 5150 hold, later updated their story to say: 'Sources close to Paris tell us she was just released from the hospital and she's under the care of her team.'

The confirmation by LA police of an attempted suicide call now appear to prove she was taken to hospital amid fears of her trying to take her own life, after the harrowing reports of her father's alleged pedophilia emerged in the HBO documentary.

Pictures later emerged of Paris following her hospitalization carrying cigarettes and what appeared to be an e-cigarette device.

The star cut a weary figure, dressed in a long sleeve jacket which covered her wrists, which had the slogan 'Puppies Wine [which was redacted and I'm Fine' embossed on the rear.

Later in the evening, she grabbed a KFC and walked hand-in-hand with her beau Gabriel Glenn before heading to the movies in LA.
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Paris recently said she had not seen Leaving Neverland, which has caused a global backlash against Jackson with radio stations refusing to air his music and others calling for him to be stripped of his Emmy awards and star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.

Six years ago, in her first ever interview, Paris called her father her 'idol' and added: 'He was the best father in the world to me and my brothers. I miss him every day.'

In 2013, she attempted suicide for the first time with an overdose of painkillers.

In an interview with Rolling Stone magazine in 2017, she said she had attempted suicide 'multiple times'.

Paris has said: 'People say time heals. It doesn't. You just get used to it. I live with the mentality of 'OK, I lost the only thing that has ever been important to me'.

'It was just self-hatred, low self-esteem, thinking that I couldn't do anything right, not thinking I was worthy of living any more'.
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Paris admitted that part of her depression was from hanging out with 'a lot of older people doing a lot of crazy things' because she didn't fit in with the other pupils at her private school.

In January this year, it was reported that she had checked herself into a clinic to deal with her 'physical and emotional' health.

Paris, who is covered in more than 30 tattoos including one of her father's face, said her father 'still visits me in my dreams. I feel him with me all the time.'

A friend last night said Paris had been left 'deeply troubled' by the worldwide condemnation of her father. 'Paris is a sensitive soul and this has affected her deeply.

'She's been very upset about all the hateful things she's been reading about her father on social media.'
In the Leaving Neverland documentary, alleged victims Wade Robson and James Safechuck, go into graphic detail about what allegedly happened in Jackson's bedroom when they were just children.

Both men claim they were abused from roughly the age of seven until they were 14.

James was ten-years-old when he met Jackson in 1986 on the set of a Pepsi advert.

He alleges that the singer, who throughout his life denied any allegations of sexually abusing children, showered him with gifts while grooming both him and his family.

Wade, an Australian, was five when he first met Jackson after winning a dance competition in Brisbane. He alleges similar abuse.

In one alleged incident, Jackson gave one of his young male victims jewelry in exchange for sexual acts, and even staged a mock wedding complete with vows and diamond ring,
In a series of Twitter posts on Thursday the model responded to claims that recent unfavorable press coverage was all a ploy to get Jackson to comment on these latest allegations.

'[T]here's nothing I can say that hasn't already been said in regards to defense. Michael Jackson's [nephew] Taj is doing a perfect job on his own. And I support him,' said Jackson.

'ut that's not my role. I'm just tryna get everyone to chill out and go with the flow, be mellow and think about the bigger picture. That's me.'
Jackson and her two brothers Prince and Blanket inherited half of Jackson's $1.5 billion estate upon his death.

The other half went to his mother Katherine Jackson, who was also named the guardian for the children despite the fact that Paris' mother Debbie Rowe is still alive.

In the event that Katherine could not fulfill that role as guardian, Michael said in his will that Diana Ross would care of his children.

Jackson said on Thursday however that her inheritance is of little importance to her, writing: 'They say money is what makes the world go 'round.. but money is just energy.. and the reason it's #1 is because that's the focus of the collective conciousness. Imagine if we all focused on love instead?? If that was our mutual frequency?? yooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.'

That was posted in the wake of Jackson's mid-week trip down to New Orleans.
Leaving Neverland director Dan Reed said he hoped the allegations will shift opinions on Jackson and has asked fans to 're-evaluate the way we see the singer'.

Reed has been both praised and criticised for the film, with masses of intrigued fans met by protesters at cinemas across the globe.

Defenders of the singer have also fiercely lashed out at the documentary online, calling it a 'mockumentary'.

Jackson adamantly maintained he never harmed children. His family has called the documentary and news coverage of the accusations a 'public lynching', asserting he was '100 percent innocent'.

His estate has called the documentary a 'rehash of dated and discredited allegations'.

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Differences Between Leaving Neverland/interviews and the Robson/Safechuck lawsuits

Posted on March 17, 2019 by jacksonallegations


While the story in “Leaving Neverland” is based on Wade Robson and James Safechuck’s lawsuits, there are some differences between the film, their interviews during the promotional campaign of the film and their complaints. Here I will post a list of those differences:

1) In the film Wade Robson makes the allegation that Michael Jackson made him get rid of a bloody underwear after attempting to anally penetrate him when Wade was 14.

Robson does claim the anal penetration attempt in the court filing, but does not claim anything about a bloody underwear and Jackson allegedly making him get rid of it. This is all that is alleged in the complaint about the alleged anal penetration [1]:
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Is this yet another example of Wade Robson’s ever evolving “memories”?

2) In interviews during the promotional campaign of the film, James Safechuck made an allegation that Jackson supposedly made a video tape of their alleged sex acts. Safechuck, conveniently, alleges that Jackson then destroyed this evidence.


“Both men claim Jackson never wore condoms during their sex acts. They allege he often plied them with alcohol and pornography before molesting them, and even recorded one of his sexual encounters with Safechuck.

“He immediately freaked out when he realized what he just did and taped over it,” Safechuck says. Although he was aware Jackson was filming, “it was fun at the time, and when you’re having fun, (Jackson) isn’t thinking about it. But later, he’s like, ‘Wait a minute. I just documented this.’ He was very careful, but that was his one sort of slip.“ [2]

This claim was neither in his complaint, nor in the film. It was first alleged during the promotional interviews of “Leaving Neverland”. There is no evidence of Jackson ever making or having such tapes. Keep in mind that his premises were raided and thoroughly searched in both 1993 and 2003 and also that he was a disorganized hoarder. No sex tape was ever found in his possession either with Safechuck or any other child.

(Maybe we should take a mental note of the fact that when Safechuck first started claiming this, the R. Kelly case, that heavily features sex tapes, was very prominent in the media.)

It is also strange that Safechuck describes this as “fun”. I know that every victim is different, but from what I read in literature about child sexual abuse, an abuser making videos of the abuse is usually an extremely horrifying and traumatic experience for the victim.

3) James Safechuck alleges in his court filings that Jackson showed him child pornography – movies in which children were masturbating [3].
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Safechuck made the claim in the film that Jackson showed him pornography, but there was no mention of movies with children masturbating in it or any kind of child pornography.

There is no evidence of Jackson ever having such movies. No such movies were ever found at his premises during the extensive house searches in both 1993 and 2003.

4) In the film Wade Robson alleges that what finally convinced him of protecting Jackson in Court in 2005 was a dinner that they had together before Wade’s testimony where Jackson looked very sick and Wade felt sorry for his children and was worried for them that they would be left without a parent if Jackson went to jail. Wade tells about this in a dramatic tone where he attempts to seem compassionate for Jackson’s children.

Here you can watch that part: https://streamable.com/bkqkd

In his complaint this was never mentioned as a motive for him to testify the way he did. There his reason was Jackson’s alleged role playing of him on the phone and him not understanding that he was abused [1]:
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Moreover, Michael Jackson’s nephew, Taj Jackson claims that Robson is definitely lying in this clip as this dinner actually took place AFTER Wade Robson already had testified. Taj was there, along with other witnesses, such as the Barnes family. [4]
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5) Although Robson in the film mentioned Jackson calling him on the phone before his 2005 testimony, but he leaves out the part where Jackson told him: “They are making up all these lies about you and me, saying that we did all this disgusting sexual stuff.”

Probably because – although Robson now, in the hindsight tries to characterize this as some sort of “role play” -, it actually looks like something that an innocent man would say, not an abuser to his victim. Jackson calls the allegations “made up” and “lies”, and calls them “disgusting sexual stuff”. Not love. Not romance. Not a beautiful thing.

It defies Wade’s claim of him believing it was love until 2012, because he was allegedly brainwashed into that by Jackson. Here he quotes Jackson himself telling him that such acts would be “disgusting sexual stuff”, so how would that not, at least, ring a bell to an adult man, like Wade was in 2005, that something was wrong with the “love” angle, after all?

6) In the film the narrative is that these two men protected Jackson for so long because they were brainwashed to be “in love” with him. However, in their lawsuit there are other angles that are omitted from the film – possibly because they would contradict the “in love” narrative.

For example, in Safechuck’s complaint there is also a strong narrative of alleged constant intimidation and threats by Jackson. In a declaration he claims that Jackson constantly checked on him over the years by calling him once or twice a year and reminded him to keep his mouth shut or else his “life would be over”.

This narrative in his complaint was used to support an equitable estoppel argument. Equitable estoppel is a legal doctrine that prevents that someone could take advantage of his wrongdoings in court. For example, in relation to statutes of limitations, if a claimant or plaintiff fails to file a timely claim because the defendant threatened or intimidated him, then equitable estoppel can be invoked and in that case claimant’s/plaintiff’s complaint would not be dismissed even if statutes of limitations have already run.

For this argument and to get around the statutes of limitations Safechuck needed to establish ongoing threats and intimidation by Jackson, so he filed a declaration in which, next to the “love” narrative, he is also going on and on and on about alleged threats and intimidation by Jackson, although the exact nature of it remains vague. He writes:


“During the entire time I knew [Michael Jackson], he continued to intimidate and threaten me in a manner that can be described as subtle only in the sense that he did not threaten actual physical violence – but his intimidation and threats were no less real and effective. He told me over and over again that my life would be finished if anyone found out about what he/we had done, and I believed him. I had no reason not to, because he trained me to believe that and I had no reason to doubt or question what he said. And because of who [Michael Jackson] was – his power, his iconic status around the world, his fame and fortune – I knew that he could see to it that my life would be over if what happened ever came out.” [5]

Let us note here, that there is no record of Jackson being a vengeful, threatening, intimidating character who would “see to it” that people’s life were over if they crossed his path. On the contrary, he was a pretty meek guy. But Safechuck needed to claim intimidation and threats for an equitable estoppel argument to try to get around statutes of limitations, so he claimed intimidation and threats.

7) A LOT is left out of the film about the legal proceedings of both Robson and Safechuck. In actuality, the fact that they are both suing Jacskon’s entities (Estate and companies) for a monetary compensation is only mentioned fleetingly. It is mentioned in the film that the lawsuit was dismissed “based on technical grounds and not merit”, but it fails to explain the legal background to that and that the ruling does include implicit judgements about the truthfulness of some of their claims.

For example, to get around statutes of limitations, Robson claimed that he did not know about the administration of the Michael Jackson Estate before March 4, 2013, which proved to be a blatant lie – and that under oath.


Safechuck’s complaint never even got past the demurrer phase, because, unlike Robson, he was never even employed by Jackson’s companies during the time he claims sexual abuse. To be able to even sue, he needed to make up a very contrived theory about how the fact that he danced with Jackson (and other children) on stage during the Bad Tour was somehow “employment” by Jackson’s companies.

Considering that they claim this is not about about money, it is interesting that they both go lengths to get to that money in Court, even if they have to lie or twist things for that.

Both men’s lawsuits allege that Jackson’s companies, MJJ Productions and MJJ Ventures, were “the most sophisticated public child sexual abuse procurement and facilitation organization[s] the world has known” that knowingly and deliberately “facilitated” their alleged abuse.

They make up contrived ways to try to blame their alleged abuse on the companies just to be able to sue them, calling Jackson’s personal assistant at the time, Norma Staikos a “madam” or “procurer” of child sexual abuse victims for Michael Jackson”, all the while never mentioning their own parents’ responsibility in their lawsuit.

While doing this, they make several false claims which were inadvertently destroyed by Wade’s own mother, Joy Robson in her 2016 deposition.

For a detailed discussion of Robson’s civil lawsuit see this article (like mentioned, Safechuck’s lawsuit never even got to this stage, but he made similar allegations about the companies as Robson).

8) Dishonest editing, leaving out context is also very characteristic of Leaving Neverland. For example, when the film talks about Jackson’s 2005 trial, a video clip is played where Jackson’s lawyer at the time, Mark Geragos is heard saying: “We will land on you like a ton of bricks, we will land on you like a hammer if you do anything to besmirch this man’s reputation, we will unleash a legal torrent like you have never seen.”

It is placed in a context to make it look like Geragos was threatening the accusers.

Video: https://streamable.com/2h5io

The reality is that it was directed at two men who wiretaped Jackson’s conversations with his lawyers on an airplane and then attempted to sell the tape to the media.

Here is the real context: https://streamable.com/3g6pf

The real paragraph goes like this: “We will land on you like a ton of bricks, we will land on you like a hammer if you do anything to besmirch this man’s reputation, anything to intrude on his privacy, in any way that’s actionable, we will unleash a legal torrent like you have never seen.”

As you can see, Leaving Neverland director Dan Reed deceptively edited out words that would refer to the original issue and context – the highlighted parts.

Geragos threatened to sue Reed.
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Leaving Neverland Exposed
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Samar @TheMJAP Retweeted Simon Lomax
Dan Reed used footage of a lawyer regarding a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT case in order to manipulate his audience to believe it supported his lies about Michael Jackson's 2005 criminal case.
Mark Geragos was giving a press conference regarding Xtrajet's recording of MJ.






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Update: Estate of Michael Jackson filed the lawsuit in federal court on 3/13/19. The presiding judge is Hon. Christina A. Snyder. HBO is requesting the lawsuit be thrown out because it lists Time Warner Entertainment, which HBO claims is not affiliated with. AT&T is parent co





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Religion & Culture | Michael Jackson Defending a piece of our history
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Leaving Neverland aired on HBO on March 6 to mixed reviews. Lines are drawn in the sand as Michael Jackson’s defenders work overtime to protect the legacy of arguably the most influential pop artist in history. Even renowned documentary film writer and director John Ziegler has joined the fray as he publicly questions the credibility of the film.

For so many who embrace our judicial system and rule of law, it is unsettling that after a man has been acquitted of numerous charges and even survived a decade-long FBI probe, he is now the target of what appears to be a witch-hunt. It is even more disturbing that this man is long deceased.

Many are asking why two men who swore under oath in the 2004 Jackson trial that they were never sexually abused now claim otherwise and are given a huge platform to do so. And why no less a person than Oprah Winfrey was used to validate their claim.

The answer is more complex than imagined.

Before his death, Jackson had a well-publicised falling-out with Paul McCartney and Sony Records. The former Beatle had accused Jackson of stealthily purchasing the group’s music catalogue, an unforgivable act in McCartney’s eyes. Jackson also fell out of favour with Steven Spielberg, David Geffen, and Jeffery Katzenberg, three of Hollywood’s most influential people.

Maligned by Hollywood

Jackson was maligned by Hollywood and the media in the later part of his life. His sudden death, though, proved to be a financial windfall, with earnings surging past US$1 billion by 2015 alone. ( https://www.cnbc.com/2015/06/25/1-billi ... ate-surges...)

Substantially more earnings are estimated, thanks to the movie This is It, trademark and publishing agreements with Circus Soleil, record sales, streaming, and an upcoming Broadway show, Don’t Stop till You Get Enough.

As an artist, Jackson’s global appeal had long eclipsed that of Elvis Presley, a man who was unapologetically marketed as the ‘King’ despite his brazen appropriation of black music at a time when black artists were used and whimsically discarded.

In Champion or Copycat: Elvis Presley’s Ambiguous Relationship with Black America, Brian Ward wrote, “After Elvis Presley died on August 16, 1977, the African-American newspaper, the Chicago Defender, explained: “When Elvis Presley breathed his last breath and the press hailed him as the ‘King of Rock’, Ol’ Man River cried out, ‘Naw, he ain’t! My friend Chuck Berry is the King of Rock. Presley was merely a Prince who profited from the royal talent of a sovereign ruler vested with tremendous creativity. Had Berry been white, he could have rightly taken [Presley’s] throne and worn his crown well.’”

Jackson’s title, ‘King of Pop’, never sat well with the power structure, nor was his public feuding with Sony records and Hollywood’s power brokers that was captured in the song They Don’t Really Care About Us. Acquitted after a gruelling trial only to have his stock soar astronomically after his death only ruffled more feathers.

But a sworn enemy never forgets. And the enemy never fails to follow the script that always works: recruit one among us to do their dirty work.

This time it was none other than Oprah Winfrey, a woman who celebrated her 65th birthday on David Geffen’s $300 million yacht watching Leaving Neverland along with Paul McCartney and friends. You guessed it: The fix was in.

It is regrettable but necessary that Winfrey, who assumed the treasonous role of ‘plantation mammy’, be challenged by our community. Winfrey’s many troubling missteps have been deflected by her friends in Hollywood and the media. But Winfrey cannot distance herself from her friendship with accused rapist Harvey Weinstein, nor can she undo her promotion of James Arthur Ray, a charlatan who was found guilty of manslaughter after his wellness retreat in Arizona ended with the death of two participants. And it was Oprah who personally galvanised the popularity of John of God, who is held for multiple counts of rape in a Brazilian prison. To date, some 600 women have accused the Oprah-endorsed holy man of sexual abuse.

CLEAR ANSWER

So I ask, why would Winfrey sign on to promoting recycled allegations against Jackson? The reason now is as clear as day.

And to Winfrey and others who see nothing wrong with digging up a dead man to only kill him again, I ask: Are you not opening a Pandora’s box? And if you must, should we not try Elvis Presley in the court of public opinion? Wasn’t he accused, like Jackson, of the same offences? Hollywood and the media are well familiar with the sore details captured in Elizabeth King’s Elvis Was the King of Treating Women Like Sh** and Luring 14-Year-Olds into Bed (Broadly, October 7, 2016). But they remain silent.

And what of Jerry Lee Lewis?

And as for the living, why not publicly go after Ted Nugent, Roman Polanski, and Woody Allen with the same tenacity directed at Jackson? And what of Kevin Spacey, a man treated with kid gloves by the media?

And again I ask, wasn’t Jackson exonerated in the court of law?

For all his shortcomings, Michael Jackson came out of the black experience. He is our music, our art, our history. Hollywood and the mainstream media protect their own.

We must now defend what belongs to us.

- Dr Glenville Ashby is the award-winning author of the audiobook Anam Cara: Your Soul Friend ad Bridge to Enlightenment and Creativity. Email feedback to columns@gleanerjm.com and glenvilleashby@gmail.com, or tweet @glenvilleashby.





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What Leaving Neverland doesn’t tell you about Michael Jackson and his accusers

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Whether you believe Michael Jackson’s two accusers or not, there’s no denying the Leaving Neverland film is incredibly one-sided.


Not a single person other than Wade Robson, James Safechuck and their families is interviewed, while the Michael Jackson Estate was not even given a right of reply to the claims. This violates all norms and ethics in filmmaking and journalism.


More crucially, director Dan Reed decided not to include a whole host of other important information about the accusers’ past and their behaviour.


Why? Because it might have discredited Robson and Safechuck.


Yet journalism is about seeking the truth. But Reed made no attempts to scrutinise and investigate whether the pair’s allegations are indeed true, he just took them at face value and recorded them.


Jackson estate attorney Howard Weitzman said that Reed “refused to devote even one minute of a 240-minute film to any of the mountainous evidence showing that Robson and Safechuck are lying”.


If these accusations had come to court while Jackson was alive, he would have been able to offer a defence.


But as he’s dead, he can’t present any sort of mitigating evidence. So that’s where the documentary maker comes in, to provide balance.


Unless you are in the Michael Jackson fan community, or a journalist who has researched the subject – and few have, by the way – you aren’t going to know about the publicly available information which would have formed part of Jackson’s defence.


Viewers of the documentary are essentially the jury – but Leaving Neverland only gave them the prosecution’s side.


When Reed was asked in an interview why he didn’t include the other side of the story, he said: “What is the other side of the story? That Michael Jackson was a great entertainer and a great guy?”[ii]


Of course, people who allege abuse deserve to be heard. But as Jackson is dead, the defence his Estate might have put forward deserves to be heard too.


Here is just some of the information viewers of Leaving Neverland really should have been told.


Wade Robson’s behaviour between Jackson’s death and making allegations in 2013

In the days after Jackson’s death, Robson released a statement praising Jackson as “one of the main reasons I believe in the pure goodness of human kind.”[iii]


He asked Jackson’s nephew for tickets to the memorial at Staples Center, before trying to solicit work from Kenny Ortega, the director of Michael Jackson’s This Is It, to help work on the movie.


Robson was able to secure work with Janet Jackson, in her 2009 MTV Video Music Awards tribute to her late brother.


In 2011, Robson approached John Branca, co-executor of the Michael Jackson Estate, about directing the new Michael Jackson/Cirque du Soleil production, ONE. Robson admitted he wanted the job “badly,” but the Estate ultimately chose someone else for the position.[iv]


That same year, Robson attempted to sell several items of Michael Jackson memorabilia anonymously. According to Julien’s Auctions, Robson “needed the money”.[v]


In 2012, Robson had a nervous breakdown, triggered, he said, by an obsessive quest for success. His career, in his own words, began to “crumble.”[vi]


That same year, Robson began shopping a book that claimed he was sexually abused by Michael Jackson. No publisher picked it up.[vii]


In the draft version of the book, Robson called himself a “master of deception”.[viii]


The lawsuit

Leaving Neverland does mention that both Robson and Safechuck testified under oath in 1993 that Jackson had never abused them, while Robson also went on to testify at Jackson’s 2005 trial, again denying that anything ever happened. Robson never wavered in the face of withering cross-examination from one of California’s toughest prosecutors.


But the documentary all but ignores Robson and Safechuck’s lawsuits against the Jackson estate for hundreds of millions of dollars —which were dismissed and are currently under appeal.


The suit is mentioned fleetingly, although neither Robson nor Safechuck are questioned by Reed about the ongoing litigation, or their motives for pursuing it.


Robson filed a $1.5 billion dollar civil lawsuit/creditor’s claim in 2013. He first filed it under seal (a procedure allowing sensitive or confidential information to be filed with a court without becoming a matter of public record), in the hope of reaching a financial settlement with the Jackson Estate out of the public eye.


As for Safechuck, by his own admission, he did not “realize” that he had been abused until after he saw Robson being interviewed on television in May 2013 about his claim of abuse.[ix]


Yet in Leaving Neverland, Safechuck claims he knew he’d been abused when he told his mother that Jackson was “evil” during Jackson’s trial in 2005.


Estate attorney Howard Weitzman says that by 2013, Safechuck “was in serious need of money, the failed dreams of a successful acting and music career having long since passed him by”.[x]


After Robson filed his suit, Safechuck contacted Robson’s lawyers and filed copycat lawsuits against the Estate for millions of dollars.


The Estate spent years litigating with Robson and Safechuck, and the four different lawsuits by the two men were eventually dismissed by a California judge in 2017.


The ‘lies’ in court

To be clear, the judge ruled that Jackson’s companies were not liable for any possible actions by Jackson; he did not rule on the credibility of the men’s allegations.


But the trial judge in Robson’s initial case against the Estate disregarded his sworn statements on a summary judgment motion.[xi]


Jackson estate attorney Howard Weitzman said Robson was “caught lying repeatedly” in the dismissed litigations.[xii]


Weitzman said: “For example, in order to try to get around the statute of limitations for monetary claims against the Estate, Robson testified under oath that ‘prior to March 4, 2013, I did not understand or was even aware that an Estate had been opened for administration’.”[xiii]


The attorney said this was “a lie”, as Robson had in fact met with John Branca, one of the Estate’s executors, in 2011 in his failed effort to solicit work with the Estate on a Michael Jackson-themed Cirque du Soleil show.[xiv]


Weitzman added: “The trial judge found one of Robson’s lies so incredible that the trial judge disregarded Robson’s sworn declaration and found that no rational trier of fact could possibly believe Robson’s sworn statements.”[xv]


Weitzman said Robson was also trying to hide evidence before his cases were dismissed.


“For example,” Weitzman said, “Robson lied under oath and stated that, other than one brief email in late 2012, he had had “no written communications” with anyone (other than his attorneys) about his newly-concocted allegations that he was abused by Jackson.


“This turned out to be a complete and utter lie. Robson had actually shopped a book about his allegations in the year prior to filing his lawsuit—a book he tried to hide from the Estate.”[xvi]


Story inconsistency

Weitzman said Robson’s book told a completely different story of how he was first abused by Jackson. When asked about some of these discrepancies at his deposition, Robson explained that his memories had “evolved” since writing the draft of the book in late 2012 and early 2013.[xvii]


During his lawsuit against Jackson’s Estate, Robson was ordered by the trial court to produce all documents about written communications with anyone about his supposed abuse.


In one email, he listed over 20 different questions to his mother asking her about the specific details of his interactions with Jackson. Some of these included: “Can you explain all that you remember of that first night at Neverland? What happened when we drove in what did we do? And that first weekend at Neverland?”[xviii]


Despite telling the detailed story of his first night at Neverland in the documentary as if it is his own memory, at his deposition, Robson admitted that he “did not know” if his memory of that night “came from [his] own recollection or [if] it was told to [Robson] by someone else.”[xix]


Another email showed that Robson found one particular story from the early 1990s which specifically named him and his mother. He emailed it to his mother and asked whether it was true. She replied, ‘Wow, none of that is true’. But Robson included it in his story regardless.[xx]


Safechuck, meanwhile, claimed in his sworn declaration that he was first abused on the Paris leg of the Bad Tour in late June 1988.[xxi]


He later said that after the tour ended, Jackson flew him out to New York “in February 1989” where Jackson was performing at the Grammy’s. Safechuck stated that he was abused on this trip.


However, the Grammy’s were not in New York in 1989; they were in Los Angeles that year and Jackson did not perform.


Jackson did perform at the Grammy’s in New York in February 1988, before Safechuck claims he was first abused.[xxii]


In the documentary, Safechuck also makes a claim that he refused to testify for Jackson in the 2005 trial. However, neither Jackson nor his legal team could have called Safechuck as a witness, as the judge ruled that ‘evidence as to Jimmy Safechuck will not be permitted’.[xxiii]


How much the accusers owe Michael Jackson’s Estate / the appeal

Dan Reed said Robson and Safechuck “have no financial interest in the documentary whatsoever”.[xxiv] But both are in debt to Jackson’s Estate by significant sums.


Robson owes the Estate almost $70,000 dollars in court costs, and Safechuck owes the Estate several thousand dollars as well.[xxv]


Robson and Safechuck are pursuing appeals of the judgments against them, appeals that will probably be heard this year.


Estate attorney Weitzman says the pair are using the Leaving Neverland documentary to revive their dismissed lawsuits.


“It is just another tool in their litigation playbook, which they are obviously using in a very misguided effort to somehow affect their appeals,” he said.[xxvi]


Weitzman added: “The film ignores the countless facts and circumstances evincing that these stories have been trumped up by Robson, Safechuck, and their shared litigation attorneys as part of an ongoing campaign of lawsuits, where they are attempting to recover hundreds of millions of dollars in damages against the Jackson Estate and affiliated companies for the supposed abuse they suffered.”[xxvii]


Brett Barnes

During one scene of the documentary, Wade Robson’s mother explains that she got very upset with Jackson when he told her that he would not be taking Robson on the Dangerous World Tour.


Mrs Robson added that she was especially upset because Jackson had taken another boy and his family on the tour.


Footage of the boy, Brett Barnes, and Jackson on the Dangerous World Tour was then shown. Robson then said that was when he realised he had been “replaced” by that boy. Any reasonable viewer would interpret that to mean that Jackson was also sexually abusing Barnes on the tour.


In the documentary, a brief written denial from Barnes features on the screen.


Barnes is said to be considering suing HBO, alleging that Leaving Neverland insinuates he was abused by Jackson.[xxix] He was also not consulted about his inclusion in the film.


Barnes wrote on Twitter: “Not only do we have to deal with these lies, but we’ve also got to deal with people perpetuating these lies.


“The fact that they fail to do the small amount of research it takes to prove these are lies, by choice or not, makes it even worse.”[xxx]


After Robson first went on television in May 2013 to talk about his alleged abuse, Barnes said: “I wish people would realise, in your last moments on this earth, all the money in the world will be of no comfort.



“My clear conscience will.”[xxxi]


The documentary ratings would surely not have been affected if Reed had chosen to make a more balanced film.


The two men agreed to do the film after their lawsuits against Jackson’s Estate, in which they sought millions of dollars, were thrown out. So as a journalist Reed had a duty to challenge them, rather than just take the accusations at face value.


You’ve heard the prosecution, but not the defence. And that’s a failure in journalism.


Mike Smallcombe is a UK journalist and author of a biography on Michael Jackson, Making Michael.

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So I hear the media wants a story about my cousin Paris. Here it goes. Once upon a time my uncle had a beautiful daughter who grew up to mind her own f*cking business and live her life on her terms. Her family has her back and finds you all disgusting. The girl was one of the first to welcome my wife into the family and was her bridesmaid when her own friends were too jealous to stand next to her. Instead of being entitled the young lady works and spreads love n peace. The end. #mindyourownfuckingbuisness we love you Paris

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ABOUT THE LAWSUIT OF FRENCH FANS The lawyer summoned Wade Robson and James Safechuck, both witnesses in the documentary, to the Orléans District Court on 4 July at 9:00. The summons left Thursday by the bailiff to California, according to the lawyer.






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"I was a boy in Michael Jackson's life and nothing of what he's being accused in the documentary happened..
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The #LeavingNeverland "documentary" failed to mention Michael Jackson was romantically linked to Tatum O'Neal, Stephanie Mills & Brooke Shields. He was also smitten w/ Diana Ross & Whitney Houston, and married Lisa Marie Presley. But none of that fits the narrative being pushed.







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But that's just it, Dan.
You're trying to have it both ways. You want him to have 'told' his Mom in 2005 (even though in the film, he basically just says "Michael's a dick")... yet also want us to believe he only 'realized' in 2013.
We call that an inconsistency, Mr. Clean.







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Even better: The March 28th, 2005 court transcript confirms Safechuck was barred - by name - from testifying, months before. So his story about telling his mom MJ was "a bad man" after Jackson "begged" him to testify months into the trial, can be filed under Fantasy Fiction.

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Take this article with a pinch of salt, so many inconsistencies.


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The king of pop's empire is in financial freefall over new sex abuse claims. Now, as his children struggle to cope... is there a cynical truth behind the Jackson family meltdown?


One of them has stopped talking, another has reportedly tried to slit her wrists. How the third is feeling has yet to be revealed, but he can't be that happy.

The effect that any public scandal has on the children of those involved is often ignored but usually devastating.

In the case of Michael Jackson, who has gone from being an object of international showbusiness veneration to a despised paedophile whose legacy is being torn down, the fallout must have been particularly crushing.
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On Saturday, Paris Jackson — the star's only daughter — was taken to hospital. Los Angeles police told news outlets they were called to her LA home at around 7.30 am following a suicide attempt.



According to showbusiness news website TMZ, she was placed on what is called '5150 hold' — the California state code for the temporary psychiatric commitment of someone whose mental state indicates they pose a danger to themselves or others.

Citing members of the Jackson family as sources, TMZ claimed the 20-year-old model had attempted to slit her wrists largely because of the backlash to the new documentary Leaving Neverland, which provides testimony from two men, Wade Robson and James Safechuck, who say the superstar sexually abused them for much of their childhood.

Ms Jackson has previously spoken about her problems with depression, in particular following another attempted suicide in 2013.

Medical officials have said she is now in a stable state, although she sparked concern after taking to Twitter to rail at the media reports of her suicide attempt. 'F*** you you f***ing liars'.
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Her sudden hospital visit this weekend came shortly after she became embroiled in a heated social media exchange with zealous Michael Jackson fans who had criticised her for not doing more to defend her father's reputation.

Paris has repeatedly referred to media 'lies about accusations levelled at her father, but this was not enough to avoid the wrath of Jackson 'Truthers' — fanatical fans who will hear no ill word said against their icon.

They must have expected Jackson's children — and most of all Paris, who was particularly close to him — to have leapt to his defence. But on Thursday, Paris insisted it was 'not her role' to champion her father, although she did praise her cousin, Taj (son of Jackson's brother, Tito), for standing up for the singer.

'There's nothing I can say that hasn't already been said in regards to defence. Taj is doing a perfect job on his own,' Paris tweeted.

Amid claims she is worried the new furore will kill off the aspiring actress's plans for a film career, Paris last week told militant Jackson fans to 'calm down' and 'smoke some weed'.
'I'm just tryna get everyone to chill out and go with the flow, be mellow and think about the bigger picture. That's me,' she added. Two days later, she was rushed to hospital.

The reported reaction of her younger brother, Blanket, to the bombshell documentary has been equally dramatic.

According to Taj — now the singer's cheerleader — 17-year-old Blanket Jackson (who nowadays calls himself 'Bigi') has retreated into an uncommunicative, shocked state since Leaving Neverland was released.

Taj Jackson told the BBC's Victoria Derbyshire show recently: 'Bigi is one of the most talkative kids at school. He's not talking now and people are worried about him because he's sensitive just like his dad was.'

Asked about the impact of the allegations against Jackson on his children, Taj said: 'It's beyond devastating because . . . seeing what they're going through, it really upsets me.' Taj said each of the children was 'handling it different'.

We have yet to hear what Jackson's eldest child, aspiring film-maker Prince, 22, thinks.

But a source close to the family claimed last week that Prince and his siblings were considering suing Jackson's accusers, Wade Robson and James Safechuck, for fraud, emotional distress, slander and misrepresentation.

Jackson's three children say they will give any damages to charity and primarily want the men to 'accept' responsibility and apologise, said the insider.

The source told the New York Post: 'It's very important to them they carry forward [Jackson's] legacy of philanthropy and humility.'

Given both Paris Jackson's insistence that it isn't her job to defend her father and her brothers' public silence, the claim that they're preparing to take legal action seems dubious.

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Leaving Neverland Facts‏ @NeverlandFacts

No doubt a talking head can claim it's perfectly normal to change the entire version of when one's 1st molestation took place to more dramatic version when TV cameras present from version told in lawsuit and deposition taken a few week earlier, right?







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Keep in mind we know version of when Robson' 1st molestation allegedly occurred (entirely family was gone to the Grand Canyon) was told to #LeavingNeverland in 2/17.Prevous version (family was there, sister sleeping upstairs) in deposition told in 12/16, just 2 months earlier.






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When #WaltDisney built #Neverland (#Disneyland) no one blinks an eye but when #MichaelJackson built his Neverland, the world screams pedophile.

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Lots of young girls have come forward to say Wade was nick named uncle pervy in his dance classes. People are actually protecting this guy, even pitying him because he says he was a “victim”. Who are the REAL victims though?






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Keya Morgan‏ @KeyaMorgan

I don’t know who this Michael Jackson they speak about in the media is? There must be 2 of them. The man I personally knew was the most polite, most ethical, most moral, most kind, with the highest standards and manners. The one I knew helped thousands of kids, and never hurt any







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Michael Jackson's not off the wall this time.

Last July, a striking technicolor mural of the late singer’s visage was painted on the side of a five-story building in the East Village. Now, after new allegations of Jackson’s abuse of minors have resurfaced as a result of the searing HBO documentary Leaving Neverland, the artist behind the piece has come out in favor of leaving the work up.


The bright mural, which depicts both a youthful Jackson 5-era Michael and the singer in his later years, was one of the most striking examples of renowned street artist Eduardo Kobra’s addition to the city landscape. Other works of the artist included profiles of Mahatma Gandhi and Mother Teresa in Chelsea and a huge depiction of a kneeling firefighter that was unveiled on 9/11. In fact, he had so many works go up across the city last year (15 in total) that we named him one of our New Yorkers of the Year.

We reached out to the Brazilian artist to get his thoughts on the mural of the pop star in light of the new allegations, and he sent back the following statement:

“I decided to keep the mural on, for a few reasons:

First, because the mural itself is not a simple tribute to MJ. My entire idea was to show the transformations he went through during his entire life: from black to white, kid to adult, from natural to unnatural. The whole project that I did in NYC last year was about peace, and in that mural in particular I was trying to describe that people sometimes have to go through so much to be able to reach their own peace of mind.. and even then, sometimes doesn’t matter what people do, they can never reach that peace.

In the second place, I believe MJ is part of American History, and also part of the world’s music history. You can catalog music Before and After MJ, so much was his influence. He still is the biggest pop star that has ever lived, and that we have ever seen, and I believe we are never going to see another pop star like him again. Therefore, we can’t just erase him from history. These new allegations can be true or not. It is not up to me to judge if MJ is guilty or not—and now, since he is dead, he won’t be judged by justice anymore. So I really hope that mural can do it’s part and bring us to think about it all and how we, as persons and as a community, will deal with this new fact concerning MJ’s life.

Hopefully this discussion leads us all to the desire to be a better person everyday.”

The Jackson mural can currently be seen on the corner of 11th Street and First Avenue.







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Version of the alleged first incident in #LeavingNeverland obviously intended to be more dramatic --left alone w/abuser, mother anxious, no cell phones, calls but can't get through. Except it's not version Robson told in filings or in deposition 2 months before cameras rolled.




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"His remarks at the press conference have everything to do with Jackson’s accusers"

The director of Leaving Neverland has denied claims from the lawyer who represented Michael Jackson during his 2005 trial for child molestation that footage included in the controversial documentary was taken “out of context.”

Mark Geragos appears in the controversial documentary during a section of the film that follows archive footage of a news report showing Jackson’s initial arrest in 2003.

The report immediately cuts to a press conference where Geragos appears to defend Jackson against the claims levelled by Gavin Arvizo – who alleged that he was abused by Jackson at his Neverland home. In the clip, Geragos appears to claim that Jackson’s accusers are “seeking money” and says their supporters are “living in their own Neverland.”

However, Geragos took online to argue that the clip was taken out of context.

As the entire clip shows, his comments were instead referring to Jackson’s lawsuit against Xtrajet – the private jet firm company that was found guilty of secretly filming Geragos and Jackson while they travelled onboard a flight from Las Vegas to Santa Barbara, where Jackson would hand himself into police.

Responding to a Twitter user who criticised his appearance in the documentary, Geragos said: “That press conference had nothing to do with his accusers. It was specifically directed at the two adult men who wiretapped MJ and were indicted and plead guilty and went to Federal Prison. But thanks for the heads up as maybe now I have a cause of action.”

However, Leaving Neverland director Dan Reed has since dismissed Geragos claims – adding that “his remarks at the press conference have everything to do with Jackson’s accusers”.

“The press conference in question was on November 25, 2003,” Reed told NME. “Mark Geragos is talking about the allegations’ against Michael Jackson. Later on in the press conference, he talks about ‘accusations’ in the same vein.

“These ‘accusations’ and ‘allegations’ he’s protesting about are not the ones he’s making against Xtrajet but the ones 13-year-old Gavin Arvizo made against Michael Jackson, resulting in Jackson’s arrest five days earlier. “

A Channel 4 spokesperson added: “At the time Mr Gergaros was acting for Mr Jackson in relation to both the child abuse allegation and the Xtrajet matter.

“We considered that his remarks at the press conference could fairly be interpreted as indicative of the potential legal response to allegations made about Mr Jackson. Previous press reporting took the same view.”

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That press conference had nothing to do with his accusers. It was specifically directed at the two adult men who wiretapped MJ and were indicted and plead guilty and went to Federal Prison. But thanks for the heads up as maybe now I have a cause of action. #itsamovie Apush

“Michael Jackson is not going to be abused.” said the lawyer at the press conference in question. “Michael Jackson is not going to be slammed, is not going to be a pinata for every person who has financial motives or every person who thinks that they can get – as the lawyer for the charter company said today ‘we had a lottery ticket and we thought that we were going to do something with it.”

After years of legal wrangling, Geragos eventually reached a settlement for $2.5 million with the owners of the now defunct Xtrajet.

Meanwhile, Jackson’s fans last week announced their plans to sue Wade Robson and James Safechuck for “sullying” the memory of Michael Jackson, after documenting their claims of sexual abuse against the star in Leaving Neverland.
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Messaggio da soulmum » 19 marzo 2019, 6:28

We want to start by again thanking all of Michael’s fans and acknowledge and thank Michael’s nephew, Taj, his niece, Brandi, and his brothers, Jackie, Marlon and Tito, Grace Rwaramba, Aaron Carter, Brett Barnes, Stephanie Mills and all of the other individuals around the world who have spoken out on his behalf. We also want to acknowledge those in the media who have done their job as journalists by reviewing the facts, noting how they were ignored in Leaving Neverland because it didn’t fit into the filmmaker’s one-sided agenda of denigrating Michael’s legacy.

We also want to provide a brief update on our efforts, as well as share some thoughts with you from the past two weeks. We share your frustration and anger that a man who was found innocent in a court of law in life is being attacked, financially exploited and smeared by corporations and individuals who are only making claims now because he is no longer here to defend himself.

In addition to our public statements regarding our position on Leaving Neverland, our legal efforts continue. While it would not be prudent to publicly divulge our strategy and list our efforts, rest assured we are committed to holding HBO and Channel 4 accountable for their egregious, uncorroborated smear of Michael’s legacy. Many of you have asked why we are seeking open arbitration. The answer is simple: we believe the public deserves to know how Leaving Neverland really came about, why no counter opinion was ever sought, why so many facts were ignored and why individuals were smeared who should have at a minimum been contacted to get the other side of the story. It is outrageous that such a one-sided smear was ever allowed on the air without challenge. We all know that if Michael was still alive it would never have been aired.

We also have other non-legal initiatives that we will disclose at the appropriate time. What is important for us, and always has been, is that we continue to take the long view as we have over the last decade. That means not doing anything rash that would give HBO, Channel 4, the film’s director and, especially, the subjects of the film, what they most crave now. They want to engage in a way that focuses more attention on a film that has no doubt underperformed given that the media did everything in its power to sell this film to viewers. But given the enormous attention and free publicity the media gave this film, the numbers have clearly not matched the hype in the markets where it has aired, with many viewers opting to stop watching after the first part.

We recognize that the press often magnifies each affront related to this film. But from our view the actual impact of this documentary on the public and their behavior has not been as significant as the media want people to think. While some would like you to think otherwise, we can confirm that the consumption of Michael’s music has not declined and his streaming numbers have not decreased in the wake of this documentary. This tells us that in addition to those of us who know the truth about Michael, those who may not understand Michael’s eccentricities and the way he chose to live his life outside of society’s norms are still choosing to appreciate and enjoy the art he created. We have licensees worldwide who are proudly selling Michael Jackson merchandise. We have insight into a significant amount of data that the fans do not see and we are working 24/7 behind the scenes to synthesize all that information and act accordingly.

We are also seeing a sharp disconnect between the reception of the film by everyday viewers and the mainstream media. Despite being outright propaganda, many viewers see through the one-sidedness, the over-the-top salacious claims, the staged dialogue and other dramatizations. They see that what Leaving Neverland boils down to is a sales job aimed at convincing viewers Michael Jackson isn’t the man millions of people know and love, including the two subjects of the film and their families until they chose to sue for hundreds of millions of dollars. As people have had time to digest Leaving Neverland and review the facts, many are recognizing they can’t take it at face value. We are especially proud of Michael’s fans and those who continue to stand up for him by pointing out the numerous inconsistencies and flaws in the film. Numerous individuals who have studied every facet of these cases has poked numerous holes in the stories of the two subjects. Some critics and individuals are now courageously admitting publicly that, having studied the facts, their view of the film changed 180 degrees.

Michael Jackson cannot be silenced, and neither can his fans, whether it is those who proudly play his music in public squares to show their support, the coffee shop owner in New Zealand who played his songs all day long in protest of Leaving Neverland or those who put posters and signs around cities proclaiming his innocence. As Michael predicted 25 years ago, the truth will be his salvation.

The Estate of Michael Jackson

Thank you for your continued support of Michael and his legacy.

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Safechuck's "gut-wrenching" jewelry and wedding ring scene was shot 17 months after his interviews were shot for #LeavingNeverland. Why was a special reshoot needed with lots of cutaways? Was it to manufacture some drama and manipulate the audience?






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Update: The federal court judge has decided that federal court is the appropriate court to hear the case. Court-issued instructions have been sent to both parties. Expect to see both parties' declarations soon.






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Unless Wade Robson proves it, the 2008 Barbecue in Vegas didn't happen. MJ left the country after the trial in 05 & from the day he landed in Vegas, Bill Whitfield was in charge of his affairs. No one got to Michael without going through Bill first. Bill said it didn't happen.






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How ‘Leaving Neverland’ Has – and Hasn’t – Changed Michael Jackson’s Legacy

The documentary looked like a bombshell – but has yet to do major damage to pop star’s posthumous career

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HBO’s two-part documentary, Leaving Neverland, had all the makings of a #MeToo bombshell: Over four hours, Wade Robson and James Safechuck, two former child performers, describe, in often excruciating detail, the way Michael Jackson allegedly groomed and sexually abused them while they were children. The ratings were high; the press surrounding the film was plentiful; Oprah co-signed the documentary by interviewing Safechuck and Robson; and the Jackson Estate engaged in a full–throated counter–offensive, denying the allegations, questioning Safechuck and Robson’s credibility and claiming the film “violates all norms and ethics in documentary filmmaking and journalism. It is a disgrace.”
But nearly two weeks since Leaving Neverland premiered, Michael Jackson’s posthumous career is showing few signs of major distress. Leaving Neverland arrived on the heels of Surviving R. Kelly, the Lifetime docuseries that detailed years of allegations of abuse against R. Kelly and ultimately led to a new slate of criminal charges and an end to the singer’s longtime deal with RCA. Obviously, Jackson, who died in 2009, cannot face new criminal charges (he was acquitted on child molestation charges in 2005), but his estate remains a massive business.

Last year, Sony Entertainment spent $250 million to secure the distribution rights to Jackson’s music for another seven years. The label has not issued a statement since Leaving Neverland premiered. As far as merchandise and image rights go, Jamie Salter, the founder and CEO of ABG, which manages non-musical licensing for Jackson and other celebrity estates, told Rolling Stone a few days before Leaving Neverland premiered that he hadn’t received a single call from any concerned companies.
When asked about Robson and Safechuck’s allegations in the film, Salter replied, “Being in the entertainment business, there’s real news and fake news. And sometimes you never know the truth … Honestly, it’s an old story. Any news is good news. Honestly, I haven’t gotten one call. Not a peep. Maybe after it airs. Everyone says these guys have changed their stories 17 times. It’s hard to believe what’s true and what’s not true.” (Salter has not returned Rolling Stone’s follow-up requests since the documentary aired).
Jackson’s former lawyer, Mark Geragos, who represented him during his 2005 trial for child molestation, also took a shot at the documentary’s credibility. In the film, there’s a clip of Geragos speaking at a press conference in 2003, after Jackson’s arrest, and the footage appears to show Geragos suggesting that Jackson’s accusers are “seeking money.” On Twitter, however, Geragos said the press conference was actually about Jackson’s lawsuit against a private jet firm that was found guilty of secretly filming him and Jackson during a flight to Santa Barbara, where Jackson turned himself into police.

Radio and streaming numbers could be a bellwether for Jackson’s legacy and the financial viability of his estate. In the days after Leaving Neverland premiered, per Nielsen Music, Jackson’s spins on U.S. radio dropped from about 2,000 a day to 1,500 a day, while several stations in New Zealand and Canada announced they would stop playing his music altogether. But, according to Nielsen, on streaming services like Spotify and Apple Music, Jackson’s solo music notched 16,497,000 streams in the week after the documentary aired on March 3rd and 4th — falling squarely within his typical range of 16 to 17 million plays-per-week. Additionally, Jackson’s music remains on several big Spotify playlists, including “All Out 80s,” which boasts nearly 5 million followers (his artist-specific playlist, “This Is Michael Jackson,” has more than 1 million followers).
One place that has taken action to scrub Jackson’s presence is the Children’s Museum of Indianapolis, which removed a pair of the musician’s iconic gloves, plus a fedora and an autographed poster. “When you learn new stories or you look at something historical in a different way, then sometimes we re-evaluate whether that’s appropriate to be (on display),” said the museum’s director of collections, Chris Carron.

Jackson’s music was also dropped at the Staples Center, where ESPN’s Los Angeles Lakers correspondent, Dave McMenamin, noted the team had replaced “Beat It” with Nirvana’s “Smells Like Teen Spirit” and Chuck Berry’s “Johnny B. Goode” as the soundtrack for its “Air Band Cam” jumbotron segment.
Many celebrities — including Ellen DeGeneres, Molly Ringwald and #MeToo activist Rose McGowan — have voiced their support for Robson and Safechuck, as have musicians Sia and Amanda Palmer, though neither mentioned Jackson by name and instead shared messages about believing survivors. On the flip side, T.I., Juice WRLD, Jason DeRulo and India.Arie have all issued statements on social media, or in the press, that appeared to defend Jackson.

“Don’t just listen to one side and expect to find truth,” T.I. wrote on Instagram. “Oh that’s right…Dead men can’t speak. So what was the point again? Destroy another strong black historical LEGEND?!?!”

Drake reportedly dropped his posthumous MJ collaboration, “Don’t Matter to Me,” from his setlist when he resumed his Scorpion tour in Europe this month, but he has yet to release a statement explaining this decision. (A rep for Drake declined to comment on the rapper’s decision.)

Two of the most prominent public rebukes have come from non-musical entities. Last Thursday, Louis Vuitton announced that it no longer plans to produce several garments from star designer Virgil Abloh’s Jackson-inspired fall 2019 menswear show. The fashion giant claimed it was unaware of the film and its allegations when the collection debuted in January before the doc’s Sundance premiere. In a recent New Yorker profile, Abloh spoke about Jackson as an inspiration, and when asked if he’d heard about Leaving Neverland, replied that he wanted to focus on “the Michael that I thought was universally accepted, the good side, his humanitarian self.”
Upon Louis Vuitton’s decision to axe such pieces as a pair of sparkling white gloves from his show, Abloh later said, “I am aware that in light of this documentary the show has caused emotional reactions. I strictly condemn any form of child abuse, violence or infringement against any human rights.”
The producers of The Simpsons, meanwhile, decided to pull Jackson’s 1991 episode, “Stark Raving Dad,” from syndication after watching Leaving Neverland. In an interview with The Daily Beast, former showrunner Al Jean suggested that Jackson used his appearance on the show for nefarious purposes: “[Y]ou watch that episode, honestly, it looks like the episode was used by Michael Jackson for something other than what we’d intended it,” Jean said. “It wasn’t just a comedy to him, it was something that was used as a tool … I think it was part of what he used to groom boys.”
Among the general public, Jackson’s legions of still-devoted fans have vociferously defended him at every turn. They’ve swarmed the Twitter mentions of public detractors and even crowd-funded a series of ads proclaiming Jackson’s innocence that briefly appeared on buses in the United Kingdom.

But opposition has grown as well. The activism team at Care2, a social network that connects activists around the world, launched a petition urging the Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas to remove its statue of Michael Jackson and cancel its in-house Cirque du Soleil show, “Michael Jackson One.” The petition has over 12,000 signatures, but since the premiere of Leaving Neverland, “One” has continued to run, twice a day, uninterrupted. Though Cirque du Soleil declined Rolling Stone’s request to comment on ticket sales, a quick perusal of the show’s website reveals that most seats for all upcoming shows have been sold.

The fact that the Cirque du Soleil show — a family-friendly program centered around Jackson’s biggest hits — is still up and running could be a positive sign for the planned Jackson jukebox musical, Don’t Stop ’Til You Get Enough. In February, the Jackson estate called off a trial run in Chicago, blaming the cancellation on a scheduling conflict caused by an actors’ strike. The estate and its producing partner, Columbia Live Stage, have said they now plan to bring the show directly to Broadway in summer 2020.
It remains possible that Jackson is too big to fail: His loyal fans may form a large enough contingent to keep him afloat on their own, or at least long enough for the shock of Leaving Neverland to disappear.

Salter didn’t seem too concerned about the long-term impact of the documentary. “The worst case is, the licensee would call me up and cancel,” he said. “And we would go to their closest competitor and do a deal with them.”

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Two French journalists have also been conducting an investigation regarding Michael Jackson. They interviewed his father before he went away and several employees from Neverland. Everyone defends Michael. The documentary will be on TV before the summer.






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Dear dumb Michael Jackson haters:
In America you cannot pay off the FBI, LA Police, District attorney, Santa Barbara police, Child Protective Services, Judges & jury with money to stay out of jail. No matter how much money MJ had, he would be in jail for life if he raped kids.






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I hope when all the items are removed from museums, statues taken down, music banned and celebrations cancelled, they'll never be allowed to take them back. YOU decided to cancel a mans legendary 45 year career over the most debunkable BS I have EVER seen. It won't be forgotten

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'Leaving Neverland' Filmmakers Refused to Remove Brett Barnes From Michael Jackson Doc

3/18/2019 by Colin Stutz

In the film, he was referred to as the boy who "replaced" subject Wade Robson as friends with the superstar singer.

Producers behind the explosive Michael Jackson documentary Leaving Neverland refused to remove footage and mention of Brett Barnes, a former friend of the pop star, which Barnes' attorneys claim leave the false impression he was sexually abused as a child.

According to letters obtained by Billboard, on Feb. 26 Barnes' lawyer Allen Grodsky wrote to HBO demanding Barnes' name and likeness be removed from the film, claiming their client was not consulted and did not consent to their use. Barnes would "suffer significant torment and pain if the film is broadcast and portrays him in this false light," the letter stated. Leaving Neverland aired March 3 on HBO.

Barnes' friendship with Jackson is noted in the documentary, which focuses on allegations of sexual assault perpetrated by the artist, with one interview suggesting he "replaced" subject Wade Robson as Jackson's special friend. Footage of Barnes as a child is used in the film, as well as a chyron stating Barnes denies Jackson ever acted inappropriately to him.






"By depicting Mr. Barnes as a child next to Mr. Jackson in a film devoted to allegations of sexual molestation against Mr. Jackson, the film leaves viewers with the false impression that Mr. Barnes was in fact molested by Mr. Jackson and that Mr. Barnes is simply in denial," said the letter.

Barnes, like many of the other boys Jackson befriended, was thrust into the public spotlight at an early age as a result of his relationship with the international superstar. Years later, in 2005, he testified in Jackson's defense when the singer was accused -- and eventually acquitted -- of child molestation. At the time, Barnes said that as a youth he had stayed with Jackson at least 10 times and was never touched inappropriately. Since then, according to Barnes' lawyer's letter, the Barnes has "conspicuously avoided the public eye" and has "been living a quiet, private life for many years and wants to keep it that way." He has even avoided mentioning his friendship with Jackson to many of those close to him, such as his friends, co-workers and employer.

Even after the first screening of Leaving Neverland at the Sundance Film Festival in January, Barnes' attorneys claimed their client already began to suffer "tremendous stress and emotional pain." There have also been visits from press and strangers seeking to speak with him about Jackson.






"The hurt you will cause to Mr. Barnes if you do not reverse course is magnified by the fact that Mr. Barnes and his family considered Mr. Jackson to be a dear family friend for almost twenty years and Mr. Barnes still considers him to have been one of the best friends he has ever had," continued the letter. "That you would produce a film strongly implying that Mr. Barnes was sexually abused by one of his best friends is outrageous. That no one even attempted to contact Mr. Barnes to ask about such accusation is beyond the pale.... Put simply, Mr. Barnes wants nothing to do with the film, does not consent to use of him image and likeness in the film, and wishes to be left alone."

In a letter dated March 1, also obtained by Billboard, attorneys for Amos Pictures Ltd., producers of Leaving Neverland, responded to the Barnes letter, denying any "false assertions of fact are made or implied" about Barnes in the film. "To the contrary," the letter states, "facts of your client's friendship with Michael Jackson are presented as they happened. Mr. Barnes' relationship with Michael Jackson has been a part of the public record for decades; he cannot simply remove himself from history."

The response continued, "While it is unfortunate that Mr. Barnes is not happy with the Film, there is no legal requirement that Amos Pictures, HBO or any other third party submit to the demands in your letter, and accordingly they respectfully decline to do so."






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ok so WAIT - Reed just screwed up Safechucks appeal didn't he? The whole getting around the statute of limitations for "abuse" is that James, like Wade, CLAIMS he didn't remember it as abuse until 2013 -- right?







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they didn’t get the crazy reaction they wanted from the doc, and a chill, mellow reaction doesn’t sell stories so why not lie and create a story that does sell ? pathetic





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Dan Reed says that Michael Jackson fans have set about to discredit his film. No Dan, the three of you, along with Oprah are doing a mighty fine job of that yourself. Ya'll keep doing your interviews. We are hungry for even more of your fuck-ups.




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Leaving Proof Behind: The Disgrace of ‘Leaving Neverland’

By Bill Asher|March 19th, 2019
The best selling artist of all time appears outside the northwest gate of the White House. He enters the Oval Office, whereupon the president listens to the artist who is a drug addict condemn drug addicts. That the artist also initiated a relationship with a 14-year-old child, whom he allegedly plied with speed and sleeping pills, is beside the point.

But enough about Elvis Presley. Let us talk of Michael Jackson. Let us talk of “Leaving Neverland” a documentary in name only in which Wade Robson and James Safechuck claim, contra sworn testimony, that Jackson molested them. Let us talk about the power of film to propagate lies by exploiting people’s emotions.
Let us talk first about the difference between what sounds true and is true, because evidence is more sound than the sound of what someone believes but cannot prove; because it is unsound to accept testimony without proof, rather than proving with physical evidence that a person’s testimony is the whole truth and nothing but the truth; because I neither believe Robson nor Safechuck; because I hate the sound of Safechuck’s voice I hate his passive-aggressive monotone which would not matter if he could prove what he alleges.

I hate filmmaker Dan Reed’s omissions of fact, starting with his introduction of a smiling Safechuck. The segue from Sodom (by way of Beverly Hills) to the innocence of Simi Valley, which Safechuck calls a “little town,” is one of several tells in a story that sounds (to me) as rehearsed as anything Jackson recorded.

Less rehearsed, because the sign of a great performance is the absence of error or an error too minor for anyone but a professional to notice while Safechuck omits two facts about his little town: that it was the prologue to the worst riot in U.S. history, on the one (sequin-gloved) hand, and the epilogue to the most popular presidency of the second half of the 20th century, on the other; that footage of Jackson receiving the Presidential Public Safety Commendation is incomplete because Reed does not show and Safechuck does not mention that the president who issued the award is the same man whose library and burial place is in Simi Valley atop a hill, like a shining city upon a hill attracting 383,000 visitors annually.

What sounds extraneous is, in fact, essential, given Reed’s choice of visuals and Safechuck’s choice of words. About the latter, Safechuck says his father worked at a rubbish company, “a family rubbish company that my grandfather started.” His father, James Robert Safechuck, Sr. died on March 27, 2016. He was (as of March 29, 2011) vice president of Anderson Rubbish Disposal, one of two companies owned by the Anderson family. The other company, Moorpark Rubbish Disposal, serviced an area neighboring Simi Valley. Waste Management bought both companies and announced the acquisition a year ago. Prior to the acquisition, the Simi Valley City Council approved Anderson’s request to transfer its trash hauling and recycling franchise agreement to G.I. Industries, doing business as Waste Management (NYSE: WM), creating a trash hauling monopoly in the city. The combined population of Simi Valley and Moorpark, according to the United States Census Bureau, is 163,680. That number is greater than the population of Kansas City, Kansas (152,938).

So much for Safechuck’s “little town” and his grandfather’s rubbish company. (I spoke to and emailed a representative of Waste Management, but did not receive an answer about whether Safechuck, Sr. was an owner or part-owner of Anderson.)

What is rubbish is Safechuck’s comment that Jackson’s lawyers told him what to say that they told him what not to say so counsel for the plaintiff could not prove what they did not know that Jackson molested a child. The legal term for what Jackson’s lawyers allegedly did is subornation of perjury, which is a felony punishable up to four years in a California state prison.

The artistic term for what “Leaving Neverland” requires is suspension of disbelief. To believe extraordinary claims without ordinary evidence violates Richard Feynman’s warning that the first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool. Do not support what you cannot substantiate, unless you agree to believe every accusation by every accuser regardless of politics or personal agendas.

That means you have no right to question what someone says, because the truth of an accusation is never in question. In such a land, where the absence of evidence is an afterthought, do not say what others dare not think: that you find it impossible not to have second thoughts about agreeing to never think again.






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In a French interview the creepy psycho "director" says at the time of 1st interview James had "forgotten" where he had put the rings & that once he found them after filming, he called him & they filmed the ring scene.

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Debra Willis talks about her friendship with Michael Jackson

An astonishing interview with a lady who was a good friend to Michael for many years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVeoJsqGeFw

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OK, #LeavingNeverland flopped in Italy too: 439.000 viewers (2%. italians are 60,59 millions). the rerun of a TV show collected 1.274.000 viewers (5.8%), a serious documentary series got 4.186.000 viewers (ratings 19.4%). A soap opera got 1.803.000 viewers (7.2%

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Safechuck can't recall where the rings are for 17 months, doesn't recognize abuse until he sees The Today Show, but has a perfect recollection of every single salacious sexual moment and detail in #LeavingNeverland when Dan Reed's camera is rolling?







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Judi Brisse worked in the house at Neverland when the Safechucks were there, in the early 90s. They had no problem taking advantage of Michael’s generosity back then. Michael was never on the property when they came. He chose not to be. Now we know why! #Extortionists #MJInnocent





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#taylorSwift & pop icon #MichaelJackson have surpassed 1 Billion streams on Spotify this week. Swift's "1989" at 1.1 Billion and the King Of Pop's "Thriller" at 1.3 Billion






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Samar @TheMJAP Retweeted Leaving Neverland Examined

The Safechuck family, who nobody had heard from in 25 years, were being sued for $1 million dollars. Two days after papers were filed, Jimmy Safechuck "remembered" being abused by Michael Jackson and joined a multi-million dollar civil claim against the Michael Jackson Estate.








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Breaking News: a new Michael Jackson victim has come out by the name of Kermit and @HBO is doing a new documentary about how Michael was grooming and molesting Kermit the Frog. They were allegedly married in 1993 and here is photographic evidence of the wedding ceremony.
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Bart EK‏ @BartekLive

How do you make the public believe #MichaelJackson was a pedophile? You give two liars a script, cut the interview and use some drama music to make it look more dramatic and credible. @danreed1000 should get the #GoldenRaspberryAward for the worst director





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My husband, after watching 1 part of #LeavingNeverland which left him flat feelings, and he is very emotional man.
"So? Where are evidence, these UGLY people talk crap and whatever they want."
And he is NOT FAN AT ALL.
Second part he refused to watch






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Forget the bullshit, here is a fact the haters and #FakeNews media NEVER talk about. Michael Jackson was in Guinness Book of World Records for Most Charities Supported By a Pop Star. He gave over $400 million to 39 charities to help save thousands of lives.
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Jeffrey James Retweeted ILoveIceCream

MEDIA MAFIA: Hard to defend reporting at this time -many claims of fake noos. The MJ thing is awful as it is not journalism nor a documentary. The story is sensational and rates well. It suggests revealing of a secret which sells more than a story of a star charged & acquitted.





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Michael Jackson’s legacy was not tarnished by the recent so-called documentary. Journalism received the stain.




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Kent Tribute Festival organisers to wait before deciding whether to cancel Michael Jackson tribute act Navi
Kent Tribute Festival organisers say it would be a “knee-jerk reaction” to ditch a Michael Jackson act from its line-up in the wake of a controversial documentary alleging the late pop star was a paedophile.

Leaving Neverland, which aired on Channel 4 last week, featured explicit allegations of child sexual abuse made by two men against the world-famous singer, who died in 2009.

Its release has prompted a number of radio stations across the world to remove Jackson’s songs from their playlists.

Although none in the UK has followed suit, a report in The Times suggests BBC Radio 2 has not played one of his tunes since February 23.

However, Gerald McCarthy, who organises the Kent Tribute Festival, says he will wait “a couple of months” before deciding whether to keep a Jacko tribute singer in the event’s line-up.

“We’re waiting to hear from the artist to see if there’s an issue and if he’s continuing or winding down performances before we make any decisions,” he said.

“We don’t want a knee-jerk reaction to it all. In a couple of months’ time we’ll decide.

“We will see how it all unfolds and what public opinion dictates. Judging by what I’ve seen so far, it’s a fairly balanced opinion for and against.”
A Jacko tribute is pencilled in to perform an hour-long set at the festival, which will take place on August 25 at the Strode Park Foundation.

The Trinidadian artist calls himself “the world’s number one Michael Jackson tribute” and has several hundred thousand followers on Facebook.

But Mr McCarthy suggests if any further allegations are made against Jackson, the organisers of the show may be forced to scrap the act.

“There are dozens of Michael Jackson performers around the UK still performing to sell-out audiences,” he added.

“We’ve got to separate the music from what happened. It’s not Michael Jackson performing for us; it’s someone who performs his music.

“He’s performed at the King’s Hall before and he’s very, very popular. When we announced he was performing, there was a small upsurge in interest.

“It’s all the very early and we don’t want to upend people’s careers.”
The Kent Tribute Festival was first held in Herne Bay two years ago. Over that period, it has drawn large crowds of music fans.

However, Mr McCarthy, who is also a leading member of the BayPromoTeam, says he cannot recall similar levels of controversy surrounding an act.

“It’s a unique situation that we haven’t encountered in the past.

“If people choose not to watch that particular performance, if it goes ahead, then that’s fine; but I suspect there’ll be many who will want to see it.”

Navi is one of eight tribute acts booked to perform at the event in August.





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Michael Jackson's Wax Figures To Remain At Madame Tussauds
Madame Tussauds isn't canceling Michael Jackson.

Michael Jackson's legacy is facing a major blow in the wake of Leaving Neverland. The allegations of child molestation aren't new but each time they've been brought up, the singer's managed to prove his innocence in a court of law. Mind you, many still found him creepy back then. Following the docuseries, a lot of people distanced themselves from the singer including Drake who dropped the song "Don't Matter To Me" from his setlist. The Simpsons also dropped Michael Jackson's episode from the series. However, Madame Tussaud's won't be following suit anytime soon, according to TMZ.
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A spokesperson for Madame Tussaud's revealed that they won't be removing any of the wax figures of Michael Jackson from their museums in the near future. "The figures on display at Madame Tussauds reflect profiles that have had an impact on popular culture and that visitors expect to see. Michael Jackson has been and is currently a feature of Madame Tussauds attractions around the world," the spokesperson said.

Adding, "We regularly monitor our choice of figures on display based on external events and visitor feedback. It will be kept on display for the foreseeable future."

While his wax figures remain intact at Madame Tussaud's, The Children's Museum Of Indianapolis has removed the singer's memorabilia from their display.

"In an excess of caution, and in response to the controversy over the HBO film called Leaving Neverland, which directly involved allegations of abuse against children, we removed those objects while we carefully consider the situation more fully," they said.

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A must read.

Vindicating Michael
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Every ten years they try to destroy this man, and his legacy. Its also ironic' that like Evan Chandler. That if the estate had given Wade Robson the job for MJ One Tribute Show. Their would be no leaving neverland movie. EXTORTION & REVENGE! It's a vicious world!






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Michael Jackson

Staying in the Rock & Roll HOF ...
Despite 'Leaving Neverland'
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Michael Jackson might be getting muted on various platforms in the wake of "Leaving Neverland" ... but the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame ain't gonna be one of them.

MJ's two slots in the HOF will stay put and won't be removed or altered in any way ... despite the allegations made in HBO's doc about the singer. The reason is simple ... according to an HOF official -- music is music is music.

HOF honchos say Jackson, as with all of its inductees, was recognized for musical excellence and talent, along with having a lasting impact on rock 'n' roll. In other words, MJ changed music, like, forever.
What's more ... Michael was voted into the Hall (twice) by a voting body of historians, fellow musicians, and music industry professionals. He got in with the Jackson 5 in 1997, and again as a solo artist in 2001, when 'NSYNC inducted him.
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As for whether his HOF exhibit might be changed at all -- possibly even removing memorabilia -- our HOF sources say it all stays the same.

It's interesting ... a children's museum in Indianapolis recently removed three pieces of MJ memorabilia items in the wake of Wade Robson and James Safechuck's claims.

Not in Cleveland, though. Once a HOFer, always a HOFer ... or so it seems.

In fact, Michael could come up again at this year's HOF induction. Janet Jackson's going into the Hall and there's a lot of speculation about whether she'll mention her brother and the 'Neverland' allegations. It's going down March 29 at Brooklyn's Barclays Center.






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What John Branca Is Doing to Save the Jackson Legacy After 'Leaving Neverland'


by Claudia Rosenbaum

March 21, 2019
Tales of John Branca’s business acumen are plentiful. How he turned Michael Jackson’s over-budget “Thriller” music video production into a lucrative behind-the-scenes documentary. How he secured for Jackson the coveted Beatles publishing catalog. How he helped Jackson purchase Neverland ranch for $40 million less than the asking price. How 10 years after Jackson’s death, he and the estate’s other executor John McClain -- a childhood friend of the Jacksons who went on to manage sister Janet’s career and was a founding executive at Interscope Records -- built the artist’s music catalog into a $570 million asset.

Now, after HBO’s March airing of filmmaker Dan Reed’s Leaving Neverland -- with its disturbing and graphic first-person accounts of Jackson’s pedophilia -- Branca, 68, faces a new and arguably much more daunting challenge: protecting Jackson’s legacy and the successful businesses that it fuels from fallout over the powerful testimony presented in the film.

Branca, who is a partner at the law firm of Ziffren Brittenham, has been in this position before: allegations that Jackson sexually abused children first arose in the 1990s and Wade Robson and James Safechuck, who are the focus of Leaving Neverland, first alleged that Jackson sexually abused them in separate lawsuits that they filed in 2013 and 2014, respectively. (Both suits were dismissed and are being appealed.) What’s different this time is that Leaving Neverland brought Robson and Safechuck’s allegations directly to the court of public opinion -- via the cable network that brought the world Game of Thrones -- without giving the estate a chance to mount its usually aggressive defense. (According to Nielsen, part one of the film drew 1.3 million viewers, the third highest rated documentary of the past decade for HBO.)



Although Branca declined to be interviewed for this story, two of his close friends Howard Weitzman and Joel Katz -- high-powered attorneys, who also work for the estate -- spoke to Billboard. Both said that Branca and the estate were blindsided by Neverland. “We didn’t have a clue this was taking place,” says Weitzman, explaining that he and Branca learned of the film by “happenstance,” when someone told them that the Sundance Film Festival had announced its premiere. It was, he said, “a trial by social media.”

Katz, founding chairman of the global media and entertainment practice at Greenberg Traurig, says that when he called to discuss the film, an upset Branca told him, “If someone said something so negative and damaging as this about a good friend of yours who had died, and it was immediately taken as true -- and you couldn’t do very much about it -- how would you feel?”

Weitzman and Branca, who speak five to six days a week under normal circumstances, quickly strategized a response, with McClain’s help. When HBO announced that it had scheduled the documentary over two nights in March, Weitzman sent a 10-page letter to then-HBO CEO Richard Plepler, questioning the ethics of Reed’s decision to not seek the estate’s response, attacking the credibility of Robson and Safechuck and predicting that the airing of Leaving Neverland “will go down as the most shameful episode in HBO’s history.” (Weitzman says that speculation that Plepler’s end-of-February announcement that he was stepping down from his post was not connected in any way to the film.)



A week later, the Chicago tryout of Don’t Stop ‘Til You Get Enough, a musical about Jackson’s life that the estate is co-producing was canceled, and a week after that, Weitzman filed a $100-million lawsuit against HBO that began, “Michael Jackson is innocent. Period.” The complaint alleges that HBO violated a non-disparagement clause contained in an 1992 agreement made when the network aired Jackson’s concert film, Live in Bucharest: The Dangerous Tour.

According to Katz, Branca is doing just fine amid the turmoil over Leaving Neverland. “His mindset is to protect the asset,” he says. That said, the controversy has cut into his personal life. In March, Branca married for the third time to model and actress Jenna Hurt, 34, at the Hotel Bel-Air in Los Angeles. Weitzman and Katz officiated, but then it was back to work. “He is not having a honeymoon right now,” Weitzman says.

No whiff of scandal clung to Jackson when Branca met the pop star in 1980. Branca, who had graduated summa cum laude from The UCLA School of Law, was 29 and working for David Braun, one of the top music attorneys at the time. Braun represented the Jackson 5, and Michael, then 21, was ready to strike out on his own after the success of his breakthrough solo album Off the Wall. He chose Branca to represent him. Jackson was drawn to Branca because of his youthful exuberance and passion for music. The young attorney briefly had ambitions of becoming a rock star himself. At 16, he and a friend formed a band called The Pasternak Progress. They eventually secured a recording contract and even opened for The Doors on the Sunset Strip.



Jackson and Branca became close -- Jackson even served as the best man at Branca’s first wedding, which was officiated by Little Richard -- but as the singer’s fame grew with the monster success of his 1982 album Thriller, he started to surround himself with an array of other advisers. Around 1990, “John just faded out and didn’t want to deal with it,” says Weitzman.

Besides, Branca’s client roster had grown and would eventually include Dr. Dre, Justin Timberlake, Aerosmith, Mariah Carey, Elton John, Mick Jagger and Beyoncé. With a personal style that favored leather jackets over Armani suits, artists were drawn to him, and he shared his clients’ lavish tastes: Rolls Royces gifted to him by Jackson, a Ferrari 488 Spider and Venetian antiques. The nephew of L.A. Dodgers pitching legend Ralph Branca, he also maintained a collection of museum-quality baseball memorabilia.

Despite their parting -- Jackson’ tended “to think the grass was greener elsewhere,” says Weitzman -- the pop phenom repeatedly sought Branca’s savvy dealmaking skills until 2006, when they split again for unknown reasons. Then, in 2009, as Jackson prepared to launch his This Is It tour and a planned 50-show residency at London’s O2 Arena, Branca was asked to return to the fold.
Then-AEG CEO Randy Phillips (now the CEO of dance-music conglomerate Livestyle), who had orchestrated the tour, says that he and recently re-hired manager Frank Dileo, who had served Jackson during some of his most successful years, encouraged Jackson to reconnect with Branca before the tour.



“Michael had all these film projects he wanted to do,” says Phillips, who helped facilitate a dressing-room meeting between Branca and Jackson at the Forum arena in L.A. on June 17, 2009. “There was a King Tut miniseries he wanted to produce, and all these other ideas. No one knew Michael’s business affiliations and rights ownership than John.”

Branca rejoined the team that night, but eight days later, Jackson was dead from a cocktail of drugs that his doctor had administered to help him sleep. Shortly afterwards, Jackson’s only known valid will, dated 2002, was filed at Los Angeles Superior Court naming Branca, McClain and accountant Barry Siegel (who declined to serve) as co-executors of his estate, which was placed in a family trust with 20 percent of its assets going to charity. Half of the remaining assets go to Jackson’s mother Katherine with the remaining 50 percent to be distributed equally among Michael’s three children, Paris, Prince and Michael (also known as Blanket). The appointment initially came as a shock to Jackson’s family, which initially contested the will. According to Weitzman, Branca was shocked too. “He had no idea that the will caused him to be appointed co-executor,” he says.

At the time of Jackson’s death, he was laboring under a reported $400 million of debt. Branca, McClain and Phillips, along with Sony, came up with the idea of pulling together footage of the London residency rehearsals and interviews that had been taped and releasing it as This Is It, the movie. The documentary has since grossed more than $261 million internationally, according to Box Office Mojo.

Over the past 10 years, under Branca’s leadership, the estate’s wealth has grown exponentially. He worked with Cirque du Soleil to develop two successful shows, Immortal and the ongoing ONE; he completed the sale of Jackson’s stake in the EMI Publishing catalog in 2018 with a final payout of $287 million; and that same year extended a $250 million deal for Sony Music to distribute Jackson’s recordings for seven more years. Billboard calculates that Jackson’s music catalog alone is now worth upwards of $570 million.



In the wake of Leaving Neverland, Branca and McClain, who receive a 10 percent commission on new entertainment revenues generated for the estate, are battling to maintain that forward momentum. And whether or not their strategy has been effective, there are indications that Jackson’s fans are sticking by him. Radio is playing his music less but still more than his musical peers Prince and Madonna, and on-demand streaming of his songs is actually up.

Weitzman also says that Don’t Stop ’Til You Get Enough will hit Broadway as planned in the summer of 2020 and that he knows of no changes that have been made to the show at this point.

In a world where news cycles rarely last more than a week or two, it will be interesting to see if the allegations of Jackson’s sexual abuse become an issue if and when Don’t Stop ’Til You Get Enough does open.

Katz and Weitzman say they have no doubt Branca will successfully defend Jackson’s legacy, and a member of the extended Jackson family offers praise as well. Michael’s nephew Taj Jackson, the son of Tito Jackson, who has been speaking out against Leaving Neverland, says that even though “our family doesn’t have the best relationship” with Jackson’s estate, “one thing I’ve learned is never underestimate them.”

Additional reporting by Danielle Bacher.






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Michael Jackson sex abuse allegations: Boycotts are 'ludicrous,' says ethics professor

While an exhibition on Michael Jackson is set to open in Germany, a documentary on the pop icon's alleged abuse of young boys has renewed debate on how to consider his legacy. An ethics professor reacts.
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DW: Ms. Lotter, after broadcasting the documentary "Leaving Neverland" in the US, in which two men report having been sexually abused as children by Michael Jackson, numerous international radio stations have stopped playing his hits. What do you make of this reaction?

Maria-Sibylla Lotter: I find this reaction appalling. Even if it would make sense to consider what an artist does in private as a kind of judgment of his art, a boycott makes no sense, because raising public accusations against people cannot be equated with a judicial verdict.

If public accusations only take into consideration an artist's good reputation, it can lead to the obliteration of one's artistic existence — at least for people who are not already as established as Michael Jackson.

The allegations against Michael Jackson are not new. There were already two lawsuits in which he was acquitted. Now there are very detailed descriptions in the documentary, but no new evidence. Why are many people looking at Jackson's legacy differently than before?

I think radio stations are worried that the clarity of the abuse described in the documentary will affect people differently emotionally than if they were to read about it in the paper. The broadcasters anticipate that people may have these pictures in mind in the coming weeks or months when they hear a Michael Jackson song. I find it worrying that they believe that these mixed feelings is something adults should be protected from.
What is the purpose of a boycott in this case?

It probably springs less from a moral conviction than from the fear of public opinion, on a topic one would prefer not to take a position. Through such censorship, however, one puts oneself virtually on the side of the morally indignant. At the moment, it seems that the idea of ​​having mixed feelings when reading or listening to works of art disqualifies these works of art.

Banishing the art of a person who was privately dubious, immoral or even punishable means equating the person with their art. Is that appropriate?

No. It's easy to see how strange this is when you compare the situation with science. Imagine someone has just been awarded the Nobel Prize in Economics and it turns out that the person molested young boys. No one would think of declaring their books on economics unfit. Obviously, we have different ideas about the arts, which certainly has something to do with the requirements we place on art.
Have these requirements changed over time?

In the heyday of rock 'n' roll you were more likely to see the artist as someone who lives a different kind of life, a more dangerous life without rules. This is something that has been associated with the concept of artistic genius since the late 18th century: These people were not subject to standard norms but created their own. This is apparently obsolete today as one now associates artists with different wishes.
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Possibly a crime scene: Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch

When we see a work of art or a movie or hear a song, we think that we can find out who the artist is as a human being. Isn't this a reasonable expectation that distinguishes art from other fields?

That's an interesting point. When singers perform, we see how they feel at the moment, and we believe that their personality is revealed in their vocal expression. We expect that writers also express their own life experiences in their novels, or that rock musicians express their identity when they write a song. Of course, these do contain fragments of a personality, but it's misleading to equate what is expressed with how moral the person is.

So we exaggerate the people in our imagination when we see them as artists in a movie or music video?

I think so. We also project our need for moral idealization on people who inspire admiration. Kevin Spacey was well-known for playing the villain in House of Cards. An actor who is loved just because he plays a particularly cursory, completely unscrupulous person is then cut out of an almost finished film, because it turns out that in his private life he is the sleazy uncle next door who can't resist laying his hands on young men's thighs time and time again. That's ludicrous. We want to see the evil fictional character, because he is more appealing than the man next door. And when somebody turns out to be a very ordinary groper, that person has to be removed from the public eye.
When reality is taken from fiction, it tears us out of our escapism. Is that what we want to avoid?

Exactly. If we know it's only in the movie, then we enjoy the malignancy of these characters. But we are no longer willing to accept the real-life unpleasantness of such a situation when it comes to a person we, on the other hand, admire as a great actor. Obviously, the desire to be confronted with unpleasant truths does not depend on this aesthetic admiration.

Why not watch Kevin Spacey and feel uncomfortable at the same time, remembering that as a real human, he is probably a rather unpleasant character? That may be a bad feeling, but it is a realistic perception.

Apart from the boycott, isn't it welcome that topics such as racism or sexual abuse are socially debated more openly today?

Of course, the good thing about such occasions is that they trigger discussions that can lead to a sensitization of moral perception. As a side effect, however, it can often to hysterical reactions. I mean cases such as the well-known fate of the Eugen Gomringer poem on the facade of a Berlin college, which fell victim to a discussion about sexual harassment, which was in itself welcome, but which also derived in part from hysteria.

It makes no sense to anticipate the possible reactions of radio listeners and for stations to act as moral institutions, which protect the delicate feelings of audiences through censorship.

Maria-Sibylla Lotter is a philosopher and professor of ethics and aesthetics at the Ruhr University Bochum. Her areas of research include the ethics of everyday life and the interaction of philosophy and art. She is currently a Fellow at the Center for Interdisciplinary Research at the University of Bielefeld.

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OMG. I just dropped a friend off at my small airport in my city, and look what I saw!!
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wait ... just yesterday he proudly stated he had someone do a 3 week dig now it's bloomed into 18 months? OH - "I didn't want to present a documentary full of nonsense" Dan Reed OOOPSY Too Late !




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Hope everyone is aware that your two “male victims” and their families are desperately trying to erase things off the internet that contradict their own words from the movie.
Luckily the MJ fam have been saving these receipts and keep posting them up.
Facts don’t lie, People do.







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These men are nothing more than opportunists. The fact they use the false narrative of child rape to pose for a modelling style photo shoot with the equally disturbed @billboard speaks volumes...and look at Dan Reed, he’s loving the attention.
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Michael Jackson is more popular than ever! Album sales soar with an increase of millions of fans streaming the King Of Pop on Spotify & Apple Music following






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Weitzman said Robson’s book told a completely different story of how he was first abused by MJ. When asked about some of these discrepancies at his deposition, Robson explained that his memories had 'evolved' since writing the book in 2012. In other words he was lying all along.







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Dear Joy Robson & allies:
Please keep searching & “unliking” all the old pro-Michael Jackson Facebook posts that U “liked” AFTER your son Wade accused MJ of sexual abuse on Today Show in 2013. The consciousness of guilt you’re showing is telling & the “likes” were already saved!

@prettyoungking

I found Joy Robson’s facebook on Chantals friendliest and she’s in a Michael Jackson fan group...WHY WOULD YOU BE IN A GROUP OF A MAN THAT MOLESTED YOUR SON? WHO WOULD DO THAT?






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The CIVIL case for negligence ended.
The CRIMINAL case went on. You can't settle a criminal molestation case. All the evidence - including Jordy's testimony and sworn statement - were seen by two separate Grand Juries. Both dismissed them.







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Nevermind how sketchy the LAPD investigators were to begin with, what with all the 'timely leaks' to tabloids and Sneddon literally changing the evidence code to accommodate the dual prosecution of both the 1993... AND 2005 cases at once.
Not my idea of an 'objective source'.









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How may ways can you spell STUPID. ON tour we would sometimes fall asleep in the same rooms. At the Ranch the same. I never ever saw those 2 LIARS there! Any of those families that were trying to MOOCH off of Michael knew better to be around if We were there!







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Of course. He's carrying Wade Robson's water, and Wade taunted Jordan in the press, saying he 'would find him'. From what I understand, he changed his name and fled the country more than once to avoid it.
Dan Reed cares *so much* about 'victims' he's helping HARASS one.

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Michael Jackson Estate Says Leaving Neverland's Facts Don't Add Up, But 'No One Has Really Been Interested in Reporting On It'

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Michael Jackson onstage circa 1987.

Scrambling to soften the impact of HBO's Leaving Neverland, which alleges that Michael Jackson sexually abused two children, the late singer's estate has been informing the media of its many concerns about the credibility of the film and its stars, accusers James Safechuck and Wade Robson.

The estate recently provided Billboard with a 24-page working PowerPoint document, titled "Leaving Neverland and the Truth," that questions the accusers' memories and the filmmakers' motives in detail. The estate also attached recent news clips in which the singer's defense attorney, Thomas Mesereau Jr. called the charges "hogwash."

The document, not intended for publication, details what the estate says are dozens of examples in the documentary of bias, inconsistency and footage taken out of context. In the film, for example, Robson says Jackson invited him to sleep in his bed, but "in his deposition," the material states, "he makes clear that he and his sister were the ones who initiated the idea, and that Michael insisted they ask their parents." The film also portrays Jackson wishing Robson a happy birthday in a video "suggesting a creepy, predatory manner," when he recorded numerous similar greetings around the same time, the estate notes. Other concerns: the director "audibly coached" Robson at one point in an interview; the film neglects to mention Robson's attempts to find work with Cirque du Soleil's tribute shows after Jackson's death; and Jackson's defense attorney Mark Geragos appears to be threatening an accuser in a 2005 clip shown in the movie -- but the estate says the clip was pulled from a press conference from unrelated litigation involving a charter-jet company.

"The quotes are taken out of context and no effort was made to clarify," notes the estate, which sued HBO before the film's wide debut for violating a 1992 nondisparagement clause. (The network didn't comment.)

But an estate representative says few media outlets have expressed interest in its grievances with the film.

"Much of this information is available online, and we have sent various pieces to the media, but no one has really been interested in reporting on it [or] digging further than the documentary," the estate rep told Billboard.

Mesereau, in an interview with Billboard, said the Leaving Neverland accusations were reminiscent of Jackson's 2004-05 child-molestation trial, when "the entire world was condemning him and no one thought we could get a fair trial." A jury found Jackson not guilty of all charges. (Ron Zonen, the retired prosecutor who helped bring Jackson to trial in 2004, says the defense attorney is "preserving his own legacy.")

In an interview, estate attorneys were equally keen to point out inconsistencies. The night before Robson testified for the defense during the 2005 trial, he said in Leaving Neverland, Jackson looked upset at a dinner. But Jackson's nephew Taj and others who were present said the dinner took place after the testimony.

"That whole story is made-up fiction," says Jonathan Steinsapir, one of the estate's attorneys. Adds his partner, Howard Weitzman: "It's hard to tell what the impact [of the documentary] will be. What is clear is people are drawing conclusions without knowing all the facts. They're depending on a documentary that we know is not completely accurate."

Vince Finaldi, attorney for Robson and Safechuck, explains that misremembering small details is normal for child victims of abuse: "They can try and nitpick little things -- 'Was he sitting on the left or the right side of the car?' If you understand the mechanics of sexual abuse, kids are not remembering insignificant details, but they have a vivid memory of what happened to them."







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"You can't come out with the fact that you were abused by Michael Jackson just because you lost a job."-French media skewering Dan Reed.





Fan made documentary. Very good.
Leaving Neverland: Take Two (Full Documentary HD) | Michael Jackson 2019
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Psychotherapist hypothesizes that W&J could have been abused by someone else in the family & place the blame on MJ, as their claims are consistent with victims who are abused by family members but are too afraid to out them. Dan admits that he never considered this a possibility





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Controversial Michael Jackson Documentary “Leaving Neverland” is a Flop on French TV After US Ratings Disappointment
French TV audiences didn’t clamor for “Leaving Neverland.”

According to reports from Paris, the controversial documentary scored 1.8 million viewers its first part, and 1.1 million in its second part.

That’s about equal to what it did in the US. Audiences have not been excited to hear stories about Jackson as an alleged pedophile. There have also been reports of the documentary being edited for foreign territories as more and more discrepancies are noted by fans.

One such fact problem is when Mrs. Safechuck declares that she “danced” when she heard Michael Jackson was dead. She was thrilled he couldn’t harm any more children. But Jackson died in 2009, and the Safechucks say Jimmy only realized he’d been molested in 2013. So that doesn’t work at all.

Fan sites and Twitter accounts are brimming with such information. Many of Wade Robson and Jimmy Safehuck’s stories don’t line up with actual events they say they attended.






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THIS is another great point the mental dysfunction of Wade's father is included the #LeavingNeverland MOVIE, to make it seem #MichaelJackson broke up the family, but in reality Joy & her children ABANDONED a man who needed assistance, not desertion.






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Michael asked me to come to Neverland to be by his side for this examination. I wasn’t in the room when they did it, but outside the door of his bedroom where it took place. He humbly invited and sat down and shared a prepared meal with the participants. When they left he cried.







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"The way that Michael drove that wedge between us" Wade Robson doesn't blame his mother for MOVING from Australia to US ? THATS a might BIG WEDGE between him and his mentally ill father. ain't it? OH For F*ck Sake - who is buying this Leaving Neverland crap??








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Had you met as children?
Wade: I had seen him in the Pepsi commercial on tv (wishing it was me bla bla bla)
Days later
Jimmy: I had seen Wade few times as kids. We spent weekend at Neverland
It's not even funny! Lying knobs






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HEY @tajjackson3 French interviewer grilling Reed He points out that Robson & Safechuck "are actors & they're scripted, no evidence" and explains FBI investigation found nothing on #MichaelJackson , 2005 acquittal in short he does his JOB US media PAY ATTENTION





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"The LAPD went to Brett Barnes who didn't want to talk" Dan Reed.
Brett Barnes FLEW OVER FROM AUSTRALIA to testify, in 2005, FOR Michael Jackson AND in his defence.
Stop lying.

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When the Robson’s try to cover up the fact that they are telling lies by deleting all of their trails. Too bad people have captured all of this before they deleted it





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BREAKING NEWS: apparently another french TV channel is planning on doing a documentary about Michael's life and legacy, and it should also expose how Robson took advantage of his notoriety and fame! It should air in June! We've got your back, Michael






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What does it say about Wade Robson's credibility when his story in #LeavingNeverland doesn't match the one he's told for years in his court documents and in a deposition taken just two months before the cameras rolled?






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Here are ”receipts” on my “Wade Robson’s Mom Joy Liked Pro-Michael Jackson FB Posts After May 2013 & Suddenly Unliked Them Yesterday” tweet.

Video explaining the Robson family’s FB cover up (all credit to @prettyoungking):
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What have you done to curtail the normalization of child abuse? Jackson sued Gutierrez for slander, and won a $2 million judgement against him for it.
Making Michael Jackson one of the first public figures to stand up to a NAMBLA member in a prominent court case. https://twitter.com/MarkDic09555921

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A Critical Analysis of “Leaving Neverland”

Posted on February 25, 2019 by jacksonallegations


In this article we will address Dan Reed‘s 2019 documentary Leaving Neverland that features Wade Robson and James Safechuck and their sexual abuse allegations against the late Michael Jackson.

Chapters:

Problem: “Leaving Neverland” is blatantly and deliberately one-sided

Claim 1: Wade Robson and James Safechuck did not have the opportunity to harmonize their stories. Despite of that their stories are so parallel. It proves they are telling the truth

Claim 1b: Their stories are so parallel!

Claim 2: The stories are convincing because they are sexually explicit and detailed

Jackson in his own words

Claim 3: It is not about money

Claim 4: Jackson groomed these families to be able to molest their sons

Claim 5: “It is not rare that child abuse victims do not disclose their abuse until many years later”

Claim 6: Brett Barnes and Macaulay Culkin were victims

Cynical remarks about Michael Jackson Estate’s, family, fans and other defenders

Summary

Problem: “Leaving Neverland” is blatantly and deliberately one-sided

Leaving Neverland is a blatantly one-sided representation of Wade Robson and James Safechuck’s allegations against Michael Jackson, and based on interviews with director Dan Reed he did not even attempt to make it balanced. Exculpatory information that could make viewer to arrive at a different, but definitely more balanced conclusion, is left out.

Reed defends his one-sided approach by stating that the film is not about Jackson, but about these two accusers and their families. The reality is, however, that these two men would not have been given a four hours documentary on HBO, Channel 4 and numerous other channels globally, if the accused was not Michael Jackson. The hype around this film would not be anywhere near this level if the accused was not Michael Jackson. The film also has the potential to cause immeasurable and irreversible harm to Jackson’s legacy and reputation and pain to his family, including his three orphaned children. Anyone who cares about ethical and fair journalism and documentary film making, can tell that under these circumstances and with these serious allegations with potentially very serious consequences, it is just not right to not represent both sides of the debate.

The blatant disregard for a fair and balanced representation of the case did not end with Reed. Jackson’s Estate reached out to HBO and Channel 4 in letters (the two channels which commissioned the film), detailing credibility issues with these accusers which came out during their litigation in court. There was no attempt at fairness and balance by either channel. They refused to even meet with the Estate’s representatives to discuss the matter and none of them offered the Estate or the Jackson family an opportunity to tell their side of the story.

In actuality, the documentary took both Jackson’s Estate and his family by surprise. There are just about one and a half months between its surprise announcement and last minute addition to the program of the Sundance film festival and its airing on HBO and Channel 4 in the first week of March and it was very quickly distributed to other channels all around the world as well. When Michael Jackson’s nephew, Taj Jackson requested that the family could watch it before it airs, he was declined. On the other hand, influencers, social media “blue ticks” and the press were given special early screenings all around the world.

It seemed the short notice and very aggressive media blitz was planned this way deliberately, so that the Estate and the family would not have time to put together a response in the form of a rebuttal documentary or other similar means.

This raises some serious ethical questions regarding this film and the concentrated media campaign surrounding it.

In a Vanity Fair interview Reed cynically said about criticism of his one-sided approach: “What is the other side of the story? That Michael Jackson was a great entertainer and a great guy?” [1]

No, that is not the other side of the story. The other side of the story is, that Jackson’s Estate has been in a long time litigation with these two men and during that litigation information about them came out that, if represented in the film, would have put these allegations into a different perspective for the audience.

Now let us address some main points made either in the film or the surrounding media campaign.

Claim 1: Wade Robson and James Safechuck did not have the opportunity to harmonize their stories. Despite of that their stories are so parallel. It proves they are telling the truth

Several reviewers cited these two men’s “parallel stories” as the main factor that convinced them of the truthfulness of their accounts. For example, during an interview with Dan Reed for the Huffington Post, Matthew Jacobs remarked: “I say this not to question either of their individual experiences, but one of the most impactful things in the documentary is the way their stories align. They both experience the same progression of sexual acts, in similar contexts and circumstances, even though they didn’t know each other until now.” [2]

Dan Reed himself feeds into this notion to bolster the credibility of his subjects: “For legal reasons, Wade and James were kept apart, long before you even approached them about making the movie. That’s fascinating”, the Rolling Stone asked him in an interview. Reed’s answer: „Yeah. So they couldn’t exchange stories. Sundance was the first time [as adults] that they’d met. It’s the first time they’ve had any significant time together.” [3]

Except, it is a lie.

Wade Robson’s own 2016 deposition refutes it [10; page 164]:
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In an interview with Vanity Fair Robson and Safechuck admitted that they had met during the course of their litigation, but they play it down and continue to act like the similarities in their stories somehow prove their credibility. Robson: “That’s been one of the craziest experiences for me. James and I haven’t been able to be together or talk to each other, and while I had an expectation, at least with the sexual details, that they would probably be relatively similar, in seeing the film, to the degree that they were. Beyond the sexual abuse and activity, by our symptoms, the details of our lives, us becoming fathers. It’s been mind-blowing to learn each other’s stories.” [1]

The fact is, early 2014, when Robson and Safechuck admittedly met together with their lawyers to discuss their cases, was precisely during the time when Safechuck put together his own lawsuit before filing it.

Moreover, Robson and Safechuck are represented by the same law firm. We learn from Safechuck’s own declaration that what prompted him to make allegations in the first place was watching Robson on television in May 2013 talk about his claims [11; paragraph 26].

In or around September 2013 Safechuck sought out Robson’s lawyers, Henry Gradstein & Maryann Marzano and they worked together for eight months to put together his complaint before they filed it in May 2014 [12; paragraph 2]. When Robson then switched lawyers in 2016 and went to the more media-savvy Manly, Stewart & Finaldi law firm, Safechuck soon followed suit.

In many ways Safechuck is copying Robson’s lawsuit. The similarities aren’t just in the sexual acts described, which could be explained with abuser pattern, but also in certain events that cannot be explained by that. They allege that neither of them supposedly knew or understood that what they claim happened to them was wrong and sexual abuse, until shortly before the filing of their complaints.

Safechuck:

“I never knew that what he did to me was sexual abuse. I continued into adulthood not understanding that what he did and what we did together was wrong” [11; paragraph 4], Safechuck claims in his declaration under oath.

A petition by Safechuck while explaining why Safechuck was unable to make these allegations until he did in 2014: “As set forth in the Petition, Jackson manipulated Safechuck into believing from a young age that no one would understand their relationship. Just as in Doe v. Bakersfield [a precedent case], it was only once Safechuck was able to realize with the help of a therapist that his symptoms and his breakdown arose from child sexual abuse and the relationship surrounding it, that he was finally able to begin to recognize that he was a victim of childhood sexual abuse. The still-recent recognition that he was a victim of Jackson’s sexual abuse also explains why Safechuck was psychologically unable to bring his claim until he did. It was only after he began a regular course of therapy that Safechuck was finally capable of facing what happened and beginning the long process of healing.” [13; page 12]

And: “Safechuck was unaware of the illicit, non-consensual nature of these acts and the harm which they caused him until he sought therapy as an adult.” [13; page 15]

Robson:

In a court petition by Robson we read: “[Robson] lacked any understanding that his long-term childhood relationship with [Jackson] included ongoing sexual abuse over a seven-year period – the acts giving rise to this claim – prior to May 8, 2012.” [14; page 1]

They both talk about what triggered the realization of their alleged abuse.

Safechuck: “I got married and had a son. I continued to live in denial and secrecy. After my son was born in late 2010, my fear of exposure became worse as I realized that now other people were a part of my life and I was dragging them into it. I began to see how innocent children really are and to worry that I would have pedophilic urges.“ [11; paragraph 23]

Compare this to Robson’s realization process that he talked about in his 2013 declaration.

“I would look at my son and imagine him experiencing the sexual acts I did with [Jackson] – which I did not yet equate with being sexually abused – and, for the first time in my life, I wondered if I needed to talk to someone about what [Jackson] and I “did together”. I knew that I truly had no idea how I felt about it. I still thought that once I spoke to someone about it, I would be fine”. [15; paragraph 25]

So here we have not one, but two adult men who, until shortly before the filing of their lawsuits just did not know and understand that the graphic sexual acts described in this film were wrong and sexual abuse. Additionally they had both a very similar trigger, involving their sons, that finally made them realize that it was wrong and it was abuse. And they are both represented by the same lawyers.

Also consider that Robson’s lawsuit was public record when Safechuck constructed his own. Additionally, details of previous allegations against Jackson are also publicly available and they were both able to use those as common sources.

It is simply disingenuous to claim that they could not harmonize their stories and it is a blatant lie that they had never met as adults before Sundance.

Claim 1b: Their stories are so parallel!

Despite of Safechuck copying certain superficial aspects of Robson’s lawsuit, when you read their complaints in-depth, Robson and Safechuck’s stories are not actually that parallel as the film suggests. For example, they describe two very different kind of abusers.

In Robson’s case there is no grooming period at all before Jackson allegedly starts molesting him and his alleged abuser is described as very reckless, who would abuse him on each and every occasion whenever they were alone, even with other people (including Robson’s mother) being in the next room, able to walk in on them any time.

The abuser Safechuck describes, on the other hand, is the exact opposite of this. He is an extremely cautious one, who starts molesting him only after more than a year of grooming and who goes extreme lengths to avoid detection.

There are other differences as well, like that Safechuck (taking a cue from the 2005 Arvizo allegations?) alleges that Jackson made him drink wine. Robson, on the other hand, expressed surprise about Jackson even drinking alcohol when he talked about the last time they have spent time together in 2008. At the time Robson was 26 years old and he invited Jackson and his children to a family BBQ in Las Vegas: “So, I remember talking about that saying, yeah, let us just bring some food, and Michael being really — he just kept asking me to make sure I bring alcohol, which was also a really new, as far as to me, like, for him to talk about that and want that.” [10; page 170]

Another difference is that Safechuck portrays Jackson as a female-hater, while Robson claims in “Leaving Neverland” that Jackson was “obsessed” with Britney Spears.

Safechuck also alleges things that no one else alleged before him: a mock wedding, Jackson watching child pornography – movies in which children were masturbating – with him (although this was left out of the film) and lately he also added a new element that Jackson allegedly created videos of their sexual acts together, only he destroyed them later so, of course, there is no evidence of it. (Note: No such tapes and neither child pornographic movies have ever been found in Jackson’s possession during two extensive house searches in 1993 and 2003.) This allegation about the sex tape was not in Safechuck’s lawsuit and not even in the film, it seems to be a late addition for the media promotion campaign of the film.

We could go on about other details like this. The bottom line is that if you put Robson’s and Safechuck’s stories next to each other in a detailed analysis, rather than “parallel stories” you will find that they actually describe two different type of abusers with very different modus operandi.

The illusion of “parallel stories” is created in the film through the sexual acts described and the the theme of “grooming” which we will address in the next chapters.

Claim 2: The stories are convincing because they are sexually explicit and detailed

(WARNING: Due to the nature of the topic, in this chapter we could not avoid discussing some graphic, sexually explicit allegations. Reader discretion is advised.)

Another often cited reason for why the film is so powerful and effective is the graphic descriptions of alleged sexual acts between a man and children, that no doubt have the potential to make the viewer immediately be disgusted and angered with Jackson and sympathetic to the accusers. It may especially be triggering to victims of child sexual abuse watching it. The film heavily builds on that psychological effect. “We agreed that the sexual abuse had to be described exactly as it happened. We had to go graphic, because there’s no point making a film like this and just saying, “Well, then the bedroom door closes,” and we skip ahead” [4], Dan Reed told the LA Times.

But let us engage our critical thinking here! Telling graphic, sexually explicit stories may be psychologically effective, but it is not evidence that the stories are true. Adult men are perfectly capable of making up such stories.

Moreover, to many who have studied the Jackson case for many years, even decades, the stories Robson and Safechuck tell sound eerily familiar. They echo a 1996 book called “Michael Jackson Was My Lover” by Victor Gutierrez.

Gutierrez claimed that the book was based on the secret diary of Jordan Chandler, Jackson’s 1993 accuser. It contained very similar, sometimes identical stories to what we find in Safechuck and Robson’s allegations – only with the protagonist Jordan Chandler.

For example, Safechuck’s story about the movies with children masturbating is eerily similar to a story in Gutierrez’s book. Interestingly, this allegation was left out of the documentary, but in his complaint we read that Jackson has allegedly shown him ”movies in which children were masturbating” and “foreign books” that were pornographic [16; paragraph 60].
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No movies with children masturbating or any kind of child pornography has ever been found in Jackson’s possession. There is no evidence supporting the claim that Jackson ever had such material and his premises were thoroughly searched in both 1993 and in 2003. No one else ever claimed such a thing, either.

The child pornography claim of Safechuck has only one precedent: Victor Gutierrez’s book. There Gutierrez claims that Jackson watched movies where children “ran around naked and masturbating”. Gutierrez also claimed that these were films with “foreign themes”. In Safechuck’s complaint we have “foreign books” [17; page 58].



In another story from Safechuck’s complaint he tells of Jackson allegedly inserting his finger into his anus. Safechuck claims that he told Jackson to stop and he did, although he later did it again [16; paragraph 38].
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This same story can be found in Gutierrez’s book [17; page 79], only the protagonist is Jordan Chandler.

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Before anyone shouts “abuser pattern”, let us make it very clear: Gutierrez’s book is fiction. These stories were the products of the author’s own perverted fantasy. The Chandlers denied that Jordan ever had a diary [19], Jordan himself distanced himself from the book in a 1997 declaration [20] and graphic sexual stories that are echoed in Safechuck’s and Robson’s allegations have been specifically denied by Jordan Chandler. For example, he denied any kind of anal contact in his interview with psychiatrist Dr. Richard Gardner in October 1993 [18].
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The only people ever claiming anal sex with Jackson are Robson, Safechuck – and Gutierrez.

There are a number of other themes in Gutierrez’s book that are now echoed by Safechuck and Robson. Like Safechuck’s allegation that Jackson was a female-hater, who allegedly taught him to despise women and who got jealous when he was attracted to females and talked him out of dating girls. (Which portrayal, as we will see later, is contradicted by Brandi Jackson’s account.) That the boys around Jackson were little “lovers” of his who were jealous of each other and who enjoyed and were looking forward to having sex with Jackson. (Gutierrez writes that sometimes Jordan initiated sex with Jackson and declares “Jordie and other children actually wanted to have sex with Jackson“. To get around statutes of limitations, Robson writes in a 2015 probate court declaration that he was “looking forward to being with Jackson sexually” [39; page 31] and that the shame of it prevented him from making allegations before. As you will see, in his 2016 civil court deposition, Robson will contradict this “shame” angle.) The nipple twisting scene (although Jordan did allege such a thing in 1993, so this one theoretically could be explained with abuser pattern, or that with that Safechuck took it from the Chandler allegations, but it is also in Gutierrez’s book). Etc. etc.

The most disturbing similarity between Gutierrez’s mythology and the Robson/Safechuck allegations, indeed, is the portrayal of alleged child sexual abuse as some kind of romantic-erotic relationship, a “love story”.

Dan Reed said in an interview that “[Robson] had a fulfilling sexual and emotional relationship at the age of 7 with a 30-year-old man who happened to be the King of Pop. And because he enjoyed it, he loved Michael, and the sex was pleasant. I’m sorry, that’s just the reality. [4]

And: “The central thing you have to understand is that these children fell in love with Michael Jackson. Jackson wasn’t a kind of grab-and-grope pedophile — he was a romance, relationship pedophile. Wade started telling me how he had fallen in love with Jackson and how that love lasted for years — decades — and how that love motivated his loyalty to Jackson. And how that loyalty ended up requiring him to lie about what happened.” [4]

And: “One, they don’t realize that not always but oftentimes the relationship mirrors an adult relationship in terms of [being] a love relationship. The child falls in love with his abuser. And they form a very close emotional attachment that has many dimensions. The abuser is a mentor; a father figure, as Michael was; a dazzling supernova of talent, as Michael was; and a sexual partner. And the child falls in love with that and all those good things. There are many good things about Michael.” [2]

Reed stated that both Safechuck and Robson were “in love” with Jackson and when he learnt about that “that’s one of the moments when I really hit the level of belief”.


“Question: What really struck me was that Wade and James really were in love with Michael.

Reed: Yes. People assume that it’s, what we call in the UK, the guy in the “Dirty Mac,” the dirty raincoat, who comes and offers sweets, and then does something disgusting with you. It wasn’t like that. These are relationships that, if they had happened between consenting adults, would be entirely normal. Loving, nurturing, mentoring. There are many relationships between a slightly older person and a slightly younger person that are fine, that are not illegal and that don’t involve any abuse. These relationships were between an adult and, respectively, a 7-year-old and a 10-year-old child. But they were characterized by all the trappings of love.

And that’s one of the moments when I really hit the level of belief. Because obviously, as a journalist, I approached the interviews and reserved judgment until I heard more. I was looking for credibility and coherence. Things I could identify as the way people behave, which I already knew in my 30 years of making films. And when Wade, and then James, said, “I loved Michael and Michael loved me and we were going to be together forever,” they spoke the way a loving adult speaks about their partner.” [3]


In the same interview he also says: “Michael was Wade’s lover and his close friend, to whom he owed a great deal in terms of his career and his life.”

Yes, there are situations when an abused child feels conflicted or even feels love for his or her abuser – sexual abuse can be emotionally complicated. But claiming that a 7 and a 10-year-old boy (both heterosexual) was “in love” with a man in his 30s and had a romantic, “fulfilling emotional and sexual relationship” with him (and that with the often humiliating kind of sexual acts described in the film), opens a whole another can of worms, especially when you know where Gutierrez was coming from with that same narrative in his 1996 book.

Gutierrez describes the relationship between Jackson and Jordan Chandler as a romance. At one point in his story he has Jordan say it felt like they were on a “honeymoon”. (Was this the inspiration for Safechuck’s “wedding” story and his portrayal of his relationship with Jackson as if they were some kind “married couple”?) All through Gutierrez’s book this “romantic” angle is very strong as well as the child pornographic graphic details. Exactly like in Robson and Safechuck’s allegations and Dan Reed’s film!

It cannot be emphasized enough that Gutierrez’s book is fiction! He made up the graphic sexual acts and the romantic angle. Chandler never claimed to have been “in love” with Jackson. When you read Gutierrez’s book, it has a clear agenda: to normalize and romanticize pedophilia through a romantic-pornographic fiction novel that Gutierrez made up of Jackson and Jordan Chandler.

Describing the fictitious story he made up about Jackson and Jordan Chandler, he wrote:


“The cliché of pedophiles as old men who kidnap children in sacks is as erroneous as thinking that all homosexual men attack other male pedestrians on the street. Psychiatrists report that there are pedophile rapists and murderers, just as there are homosexuals and heterosexuals who commit these crimes. These same experts indicate that sexual relations between adults and minors are sometimes loving and do not have a negative effect on the youngster’s life. What better example than Jordie? He was more harshly affected by the legal procedures associated with his case than by his relationship with Jackson.” [17; page 208]

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“Michael Jackson is a pedophile, which in the eyes of society makes him a “criminal.” Not so for the young sexual companions of the singer, for whom sex with Jackson was, in their own words, “healthy” and “normal”. With that going against them, the police had no victims, much less a criminal case. For me it was confusing, not knowing whether to refer to the boys as victims or ex-lovers.“ [17; page 10]

He finishes his book with this paragraph:


“Pedophiles fall in love, they become obsessed and feel desire, just like a heterosexual or homosexual persons (sic). In most cases the relations between “couples” don’t last for long, since when the child grows, the pedophiles loses interest, at least in sexual terms. Now that we better understand the sexual drive some adults feel for children we are able to comprehend more completely Jordie and Jackson’s experience, a couple that loved intensely in a very erotic way.” [17; page 213]

The clues as to where Gutierrez was coming from are right in his book. For one, in the Author’s Note at the end of his book [17; page 214] he thanks NAMBLA, the North American Man Boy Love Association, an infamous pedophilia and pederasty advocacy organization in the United States.

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