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@BBonTheBrain
What are the rooms higher up? Was that another viewing area or is that where the projector is etc?
The article refers to a bed so it must be the lower rooms with clear glass which MJ talked about on Oprah right?
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The top room and all rooms in the theater were see through. There never was one way glass. This is another lie by Safechuck. You had to close the curtains for any privacy.








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With Michael Jackson’s legacy in tatters following new child sex abuse claims, BBC Radio 2 appears to have quietly dropped the King of Pop’s music from its playlists.

The decision is said to have been made last week in the run-up to the broadcast on Channel 4 this week of the controversial documentary Leaving Neverland. In the four-hour, two-part programme, James Safechuck, 40, and Wade Robson, 36, claim that as children they were groomed, sexually assaulted and raped by the pop star over a number of years.

In a BBC interview last week, Robson said the abuse started when he was seven, adding: “Every time I stayed the night with him, he abused me. Fondling, touching, my entire body and my penis.”

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If true, this is absolutely despicable and utterly indefensible - and whoever made the decision is an irredeemable coward and a bigot.







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Michael always told me: "attention to details, LaVelle"... I've spent over of half of my age by his side and paid attention to details of his actions and behavior. I NEVER saw nothing… https://www.instagram.com/p/BuiEMXfhmsJ ... 3lx5nl1uz0 …






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https://www.showbiz411.com/2019/03/02/c ... to-the-mix
Caution About Michael Jackson Documentary: Don’t Allow Vanity Fair, Wade Robson and Jimmy Safechuck to Drag Others Into the Mix

by Roger Friedman - March 2, 2019
Hey, Maureen Orth, who never understood the Michael Jackson saga, is at it again in Vanity Fair online in her Buzzfeedy “10 Things” column about the Michael Jackson documentary airing tomorrow night. (I’m not linking to them. You can find it.) Orth’s ramblings are the same “Orthotics” she always invented.

The very first thing Orth and others should remember: Gavin Arvizo and his family LIED to a jury and a judge. Michael Jackson was acquitted of molesting Gavin and conspiring to kidnap his grifter family.

In “Leaving Neverland,” Wade Robson — who suddenly remember in 2013, four years after Michael’s death– that he’d been molested, keeps invoking the name “Gavin” as if he were another “victim” of Michael’s. He was not a victim. He was a liar.

I sat in a courtroom in Santa Maria, California for four and a half months in 2005. I listened to the Arvizo’s invent their story. I was there in that courtroom when a jury of 12 people declared Michael Jackson innocent of all charges. So here’s a note to Wade Robson: please stop using Gavin as one of your props. His mother told Tom Mesereau from the witness stand that she though Michael Jackson was going to take her children away in a hot air balloon.

This was while she scamming welfare.

Number 6 on Orth’s list of things she insists you know about Michael Jackson is about pornographic material that was found at Neverland. Just for the record, something Orth cares not a bit about: Jackson was acquitted by that same jury of having pornographic material. I was also there at the Santa Maria courthouse when prosecutor Ron Zonen brought out a brown paper shopping bag full of that material and thumped it down in front of Wade Robson on the witness stand. Robson, in a very decisive defense of Jackson, went through the magazines with Zonen and found nothing amiss. Zonen, a very sharp prosecutor, was defeated in his effort.

Number 9 on Orth’s list has to do with two of the fathers in Jackson’s past who committed suicide– Evan Chandler and Dennis Robson. They had nothing to do with each other. Evan Chandler was the force behind his son, Jordan’s, case against Michael Jackson. He was the proponent. Once he realized there was money to be made from Jackson, he took custody of Jordan, separated him from his mother, and swore to cause massive harm financially and PR wise against Jackson. If there was a reason for Evan Chandler to commit suicide– and this was after Michael Jackson’s death– it might have been guilt.

As for Mr. Robson– it’s acknowledged in “Leaving Neverland” that he suffered from mental issues. His wife left him in Australia, and took her two small children to L.A. to pursue a Hollywood dream. Joy Robson even talks about her “separate relationship” with Michael. She is very much the architect of her own misery, and her husband’s. Michael had nothing to do with that. Joy Robson, I think, comes off much worse than almost anyone in “Leaving Neverland.”

One last thing: Orth, and others, have revived the spurious claims made by the former Neverland staff that was fired in 1995. They sold their stories then to the tabloids. Their testimony was thrown out. A bunch of them came back and testified in the 2005 trial. No one believed them then. I met Adrian McManus in the Santa Maria JC Penney during the trial. She was working at the jewelry counter. She was unbelievable then, but I see she’s managed to re-sell her old claims to new, gullible listeners.

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Brenda Harvey Richie‏ @BrendaRichie
I always told Michael the truth, especially when he was taken advantage of. Sometimes he wouldn’t talk to me for months. It didn’t matter I was never going to lie to him even when people told me I was too hard on him.Yes, I knew Michael Jackson, and I KNOW THEY ARE LYING ON HIM!








Justice for The Falsely Accused‏ @JuliaBerkowitz1
Replying to @CraigSJ
The portrayal that the suicide of Wade's father has to do with MJ is extremely disingenios. In her deposition Joy Robson admitted that it had to do with the husband feeling his family not caring enough about his mental illness (he was bipolar, that caused his suicide not MJ).






Pez Jax‏ @Pezjax
The decision of @BBCRadio2 to drop Michael Jackson’s music is no only wrong, it’s hypocritical. Last year, they celebrated MJ’s 60th despite these same allegations already being out since 2013, but because a film has been made, BBC Radio 2 react without merit!







SAM @SurefireMJ
Now #Oprah is trolling #MichaelJackson fans about his death.
Totally uncalled for, extremely unprofessional and beyond insensitive towards his family. She has gone too far.
She is quoted as saying, “I was the one who interviewed Jackson and brought him down.”
Shameful.






G. Donald Cribbs, @gdcribbs
Replying to @lissha_dumas @NeverlandFacts

here is a difference between lying due to grooming and coercion, rather than lying because you are a liar or your are motivated by something to be gained, e.g. money. Neither man wants money, only the truth, no longer living the lies/secrets.


PHOENIX‏ @PhoenixLaNegra
PHOENIX Retweeted G. Donald Cribbs, MA
“Neither man wants money.”
Their dismissed multimillion dollar lawsuit (which is being appealed) and creditors claims say otherwise. Robson’s attempt to write a book in 2012 says otherwise. Robson’s auctioning off of his MJ memorabilia in 2011 says otherwise.
Shall I continue?

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https://allhiphop.com/rumors/oprah-s...E2VBeHD6DJDbw/

Oprah Says It Is Time To Cancel Michael Jackson, Tap Dances On His Grave!

(AllHipHop Rumors) I cannot believe Oprah is pushing and peddling this to the masses of people. I guess a click is a click! I am not supporting the click though! MJ has been murdered several times over, even in death and HBO and Sundance are doing another drive-by on his legacy with this new documentary "Leaving Neverland."

...oprahmagazine
Up until a few days ago, OprahMag.com’s digital director @ariannagab was a Michael Jackson defender and had go-to lines about separating the artist from the man or how there was never any real proof that he abused children. But then @oprah and #LeavingNeverland finally convinced her to let go of the King of Pop. Her Aha-moment: Leaving Neverland is much bigger than Michael Jackson. It’s bigger than Michael Jackson's fans, bigger than defending the soundtrack to your childhood. Instead, it is about the millions of people in this world who never got to have a childhood because of the sexual abuse they experienced before their young brains were even developed enough to know what was occurring. Tap the link in our bio to read the touching essay.

The digital dude decided to write a whole op ed piece on why he's "letting go of MJ." AND? So what? To my knowledge, the King of Pop didn't go to jail, wasn't persecuted and WAS pursued for YEARS. They even took pictures of his genitals to try to make something stick. Now accusations are another thing. Anybody can accuse....

I am riding with MJ and I am absolutely not going to stop playing Off The Wall or Thriller - EVER. MJ ain't R. Kelly. But some seem to want to ride the wave and have their two cents as if it was predicated on some investigation. It is based on feelings,emotions and clicks on a web side. Ride the wave. But, I'm going to surf another wave.

My wave is that wave that's not hear for the overt annihilation of the legacy of the man that transformed how we took in music, created the all time greatest selling album, Thriller. F##k The Eagles. And, he did tons and tons of good, while he was here. Was he an odd duck? Hell yeah! And I think anybody would be if they came up like him, but does that make him a child rapist? NAH HOMIE.

Check out what the family said on The Breakfast Club.

Taj and Marlon Jackson defended MJ and I salute them.






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Let him put my ****ing name is hi mouth one more@time!! WADE!! What the **** are you doing dude!!!







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If he mentioned my name I will sue him!! Straight up WADE ROBSON YOU MENTION MY NAME YOY BETTER HAVE 100,000 dollars to Retain an attorney cause I’ll drown you in court costs alone.

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Clyde Jenkins
Yesterday at 5:33 AM
Wade Robson... you should be ashamed of yourself!!! You and your family befriended the biggest star in the world. I personally recall your mom Joy calling MJJ Music with a sob story about needing money knowing that Michael Jackson loved her and your entire family and would do anything to help her. Michael especially loved you like a son because you dreamed of being a dancer as your mother took you around Australia impersonating who.... Michael Jackson.

Your family moved to the United States leaving your father behind and Michael gave you a record deal as part of a rap duo named QUO! It FAILED!!!

Michael Set you up with his niece Brandi and you guys were together for several years... until you CHEATED with other woman several Times.... she left you!

You still remained in the Jackson Circle.... Why? Because it opened doors for you being associated with Michael Jackson and his family.

That association with Michael Jackson afforded you the opportunity to befriend such artist as Justin Timberlake and Brittany spears... and what did you do...You started working with Justin as a Choreographer and then slept with his girlfriend Brittany Spears and was FIRED. Justin then wrote a song about it called "Cry Me A River". And yet you called Justin your FRIEND!!!

You used your association with Michael Jackson to befriend PRINCE and his then fiance Mayte.... and what did you do.... You slept with HER!!! Some friend you are!!

You use your association with Michael Jackson to get yourself a gig on a television dance show.... word gets out about your previous disregard and loyalty toward high profile celebrities... and what happens.... you get CUT from that show.

Michael Jackson plans his THIS IS IT concert and you BEG to be the choreographer for the show.... Michael Chooses another Choreographer.... what do you do now that your web of lies are catching up with you and you are now Hollywood damaged goods.... You turn on the one man who looked out for you and your family your ENTIRE life and make up child abuse/molestation allegations that you have emphatically stated for many many years....NEVER HAPPENED!!

Fast forward to today... Michael Jackson is sadly NO LONGER with us. You now beg Michaels Nephew Taj Jackson for VIP access to Michael Jacksons funeral for YOU and your entire family. yet you claim this monster molested you...Sick.

You are now considered a home wrecking, disloyal individual and is essentially blackballed from Hollywood. What do you do? Because You know the world knows you are associated with Michael Jackson.... you use that association once again to change your LIFE LONG STORY to now claim... Michael Jackson molested you. Why? because you are BROKE and your wife is demanding you start making money or she will leave you.

You now convince another broke kid from Michaels past (Pepsi commercial) to join you in a frivolous lawsuit against Michael Jacksons Estate for 100's of Millions of dollars. The courts agree that there is no merit to this lawsuit and dismiss it!!

The Jackson family never fight back when people say disparaging things about their family. Mrs. Jackson once told me when i questioned her about this... she replied "because DIRT sinks and CREAM rises"

Wade knows this to be true as well.... so what does he do? He and James Safechuck concoct a story so salacious, so scandalous so despicable, and presents it to HBO for a one sided EXPLOSIVE televised documentary of LIES... in hopes that the Michael Jackson BILLION DOLLAR ESTATE will settle with you financially to make this documentary go away.

Well that documentary of LIES will air this weekend.... and unlike the Jackson's past... this new generations of Jackson kids are not having it!! they are suing HBO for airing your lying ass!!

I hope when this is all said and done, the estate counter sues YOU in civil court and WIN! I hope it renders you penniless for the rest of your life. Michael Jackson was good to YOU, your mother Joy and your sister Chantel.... and because your gravy train has run out... THIS is how you repay him. You are a sad excuse for a human being!!!

Sorry for this long post... but knowing what i know I just couldn't be silent.

For any of you who thought Michael Jackson was strange... I get it... because there is no one else on earth to compare him to. Yes, there are other child stars who grew up to "blend in" to society...and i get it... But when you are Michael Jackson and the only thing on earth that is more recognizable than you is the yellow "M" at McDonalds..... that in itself is "Strange!"

Anyways.... i say... boycott the documentary... and if you MUST WATCH... know that you now know the basis of the scandalous lies contained within the documentary!

Let that man rest in PEACE!!!

Clyde





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After a very long hiatus, we have decided to relaunch http://MJJFORUM.COM . We are here to help and support the Late Michael Jackson and his fans. #MJInnocent
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Shawn Shackelford‏ @SAShackelford
Replying to @rolandsmartin @HBO
Their “stories” are based on a sick NAMBLA fantasy-fiction peddled in a book by Victor Guitterez. MJ sued him for defamation & won 2.7 million. Mr. Guitterez promptly fled the country. These two are reciting these sick made up stories chapter and verse. It’s all about money.







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The MJCast‏ @TheMJCast
So here’s Wade Robson AKA ‘Kaos’ in 1994 referring to #MichaelJackson as “my nigga” in the liner notes of his debut rap album ‘Quo’. I’m sorry. But an entitled white boy from Brisbane, Australia does NOT get to call the King of Pop “my nigga”. J.
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MJsLegacy‏ @MichaelJsLegacy
Michael's efforts to accommodate terminally ill children with glassed in rooms, in his Cinema, for their chemotherapy, their doctors and nurses and families with them...all able to view the films...what kind of mind turns that into filth, and Oprah, you saw it and still you lie.






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My position stands stronger & stronger with each day. I wrote this out of the kindness of my heart & love for my "protective & older brother" #MichaelJackson & his family, without any communication or compensation from his Estate or anyone else
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TJ Jackson‏Verified account @tjjackson
This was my Uncle Michael’s hero. This is who he modeled his life after... is showing kids love now a crime?! My uncle was just too darn good for our sick, greedy & manipulative world driven by money and ratings. His heart was too big. Period. RIP Uncle Michael. I love you!
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MJJJusticeProject‏ @MJJJusticePrjct
When a man lies under oath .. the rest of what he says MUST be scrutinized, as his credibility is lacking .. #WadeRobson perjured himself in 2013 cash grab attempt at "100 millions" from MJEstate AFTER they didn't hire him for MJONE..
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Paola Belen‏ @Paola_Beleny
Safechuck says that Michael Jackson cut contact with him after puberty, but it turns out that he was present in the HIStory teaser shooting when he was already a teenager. Facts don't lie, people do
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PerfectHarbinger‏ @PerfectHarb
#LeavingNeverland may be one of the biggest buckets of bullshit I have ever witnessed in my life. A boring, sappy, indescribably inaccurate documentary rife with contradictions and moronic statements.
Calling this a "mockumentary" is an insult to mockumentaries







Michelle Sunzari‏ @SunzariMichelle
I do think it’s weird MJ wanted to hang w kids- but u know what’s stranger? That this mom & son can smile while reminiscing about oral sex? Mom’s not angry? No crying? Somethan ain’t right









Gabriel Torrelles‏Verified account @gabetorrelles
from a storytelling standpoint #LeavingNeverland is a very bad documentary. I’m up to listen the stories of survivors of any abuse. I’m on their side always, but this being about the greatest megastar in the world and a dead person, I expected a lot more of facts and research.








Destanie Weatherford‏ @DestanieWeather
Replying to @andjustice4some
There’s video of #MichaelJackson being visibly uncomfortable with someone touching his hair. @wingheart has said it was a very sensitive subject for him. But we’re supposed to believe Wade saying Mike wanted him to touch his hair and then be racist saying it felt like Brillo GTFO








https://www.showbiz411.com/2019/03/03/e ... -neverland
Exclusive: Michael Jackson Accuser Wade Robson Is Ready for Donations with a New Non-Profit Designed to Cash In On “Leaving Neverland”

by Roger Friedman

When “Leaving Neverland” airs tonight on HBO, Michael Jackson accuser Wade Robson is ready to cash in.

He’s created a website and a not for profit called Robson Family Fund. There’s a nice donation page where you can send him money. Robson is not stupid. He’s made sure no one can see any filings for the Fund. He’s hidden it under the Hawaii Community Foundation. That way he and his wife, Amanda, don’t have to file a Form 990 with the IRS. They can accept money from anyone– the filmmakers, HBO, etc– and never have to reveal it. Amanda, by the way, native to Hawaii, has a design firm called FeastHawaii, and is getting a lot of press. She also owns bookstore/cafe there.

Putting a charitable foundation under a Fund is quite smart, especially for celebrities. Leonardo DiCaprio has his Foundation hidden under a similar fund in California. We will never know where LDF’s money has gone– or come from. If “Leaving Neverland” director Dan Reed paid the Robsons for their home videos included in the documentary, this is where it would have gone. A lot of people have asked Wade if he was paid to be in the documentary, and he’s said no. But no one’s asked if the filmmaker or HBO has donated money to this foundation.

The website states: “The Robson Family Fund at the Hawaii Community Foundation was established in 2019 by Wade and Amanda Robson. Wade Robson, a survivor of child sexual abuse, along with Amanda Robson, his wife, mother of their child and also a survivor of child abuse, wanted to create a powerful way to contribute towards the healing from and prevention of child abuse.”

On the page for the Fund, donations begin at $250.

I give the Robsons credit. They really embraced child sexual abuse as a cause. I’m surprised Janet Arvizo, mother of Michael’s failed 2005 accuser, didn’t think of something this good. So far, no word on whether Jimmy Safechuck or his family has gotten involved.

The whole thing reminds me of the late, great Nicole Brown Simpson Foundation, which turned out to be piggy bank for the family of OJ Simpson’s murder victim/ex-wife. Everything, you see, must be monetized.






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If Neverland was this place of horrors where children get molested, what in hell was Wade Robson doing back with Wife in tow, using MJ acres for a film project he was working on? Make it make sense!
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Corey Feldman‏Verified account @Corey_Feldman
MY MEMORIES. AND THANK GOD 4 ME, MY MEMORIES OF MJ WERE MOSTLY FOND, ASIDE FROM R 1 & ONLY FIGHT BECAUSE HE INCORRECTLY FEARED I WOULD TURN ON HIM, & MAKE UP LIES. I NEVER DID. I NEVER WOULD! I PRAY THOSE BOYS CAN SLEEP W THAT SAME CLARITY OF CONSCIOUSNESS! LET GOD B THY JUDGE!









Our Mission ‏ @asap_rickey
Safechuck- “Brett Barnes replaced me and it was so hard. I cried myself to sleep.”
Dan Reed - “it was so cruel for Michael to leave jimmy behind for another boy”
Brett- “I was never molested”








Corey Feldman‏Verified account @Corey_Feldman
STILL FRIENDS WITH 2 THIS DAY, & NONE OF US WERE EVER APPROACHED BY HIM IN A SEXUAL WAY AT ALL! SO AS MUCH AS THOSE 2 MEN DESERVE 2 HAV THEIR VOICES HEARD, SO DO THE THOUSANDS OF KIDS WHO HUNG AROUND HIM, THAT DONT AGREE! MOST PEDOS R SERIAL OFFENDERS. THEY DONT HAV SELF CONTROL.


OK I WATCHED IT ALL I KNOW IS WHAT I EXPERIENCED, & YES EVERY EXPERIENCE WAS THE SAME....RIGHT UP 2 THE SEX PART! THAT IS WHERE IT BECOMES LALA LAND, INSTEAD OF NEVERLAND 4 ME. WE NEVER SPOKE ABOUT SEX OTHER THAN A FEW WARNINGS ABOUT HOW SEX WAS SCARY, & DANGEROUS. MJ

NEVER ONCE SWORE IN MY PRESENCE, NEVER TOUCHED ME INAPPROPRIATELY, & NEVER EVER SUGGESTED WE SHOULD BE LOVERS IN ANY WAY! I FEEL LIKE IF PPL COULD HEAR OUR CONVOS THEY WOULD HEAR THE INNOCENCE IN THEM. NO HINT OF PERVERSION. I HAV A TAPE, IM THINKIN ABOUT RELEASING, WHICH COULD


SO GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY WHICH HE CERTAINLY HAD W ME & OTHERS, BEING ALONE, W NO PARENTS AROUND, HOW DID HE CONTROL THOSE URGES SO WELL, WHILE SO BLATANTLY SEXUAL W THOSE 2 BOYS? IT DOESNT REALLY FIT THE PROFILE. BUT WHAT MOTIVE BESIDES $ DO THEY HAV? ABANDONMENT IS A STRONG









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If you’re currently watching #LeavingNeverland Know that Wade is blacklisted from the industry for being a cheat, a liar and a homophobe. A guy with no credibility! Especially because he’s bankrupt and his wife threatened to leave him if he didn’t make any money.







Leaving Neverland Facts‏ @NeverlandFacts
Once again @DanReed1000 who compared Michael Jackson to Hitler and Ted Bundy compares fans to Isis in @nytimes: “One can only compare them to religious fanatics, really,” Reed said. “They’re the Islamic State of fandom.”





https://www.wendyshow.com/2019/03/04/le ... and-recap/







Keya Morgan‏ @KeyaMorgan
I personally knew Michael Jackson many years and he never tried to molest me, groom me, or any silly think like that. I had many friends who stayed with him as kids, and he never tried to abuse anyone. These new allegations are 100% false & ridiculous.









BeastieBrey‏ @BeastieBrey
Replying to @gabetorrelles @Annemieke58
I've seen YouTube documentarys done better....especially the parts where you hear the director COACHING them at what to say! Wade "I went home with a new best friend" Reed "you mean lover right?" Wade "oh yeah lover"









Queen G‏ @QueenG5898
I’m so happy right now. Wendy Williams is dragging the documentary on her show and the audience is clapping in agreement. Nobody is buying this shit #mjinnocent










KISHANTHA DE SILVA‏ @kishanthamj
Just turned this shit off. Body language says everything. 1st Wade said he didn’t remember, it was repressed memory and now you can give every little details of abuse. Mom, son laughed about oral sex? Any one who believes this garbage is a fucking idiot.








Stephanie Mills‏Verified account @PrettyMill1
My sweet Michael Jackson was a kind compassionate loving person never said an unkind thing about anyone. Leave him alone! This documentary is about nothing but money. The man is dead let him rest. I love Michael. Ms. Winfrey why, why, would you continue to defame Mr. Jackson name









https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/04/arts ... -fans.html
In the age of the 21st century fan community, perhaps no group is more emphatic, organized and passionate than Michael Jackson’s supporters.
Beyoncé has the BeyHive and Nicki Minaj the Barbz, fan groups who swarm online against anyone who disparages their idols. The Deadheads may have provided a blueprint, though these days they are more likely to bicker among themselves.

But in the age of the 21st-century superfan, perhaps no group is more emphatic, organized and passionate online than the devotees of Michael Jackson, the King of Pop whose legacy includes decades of innuendo and court cases regarding what he did or did not do with young boys.

Across blogs, message boards, podcasts, YouTube videos and especially social media feeds, where a Jackson avatar broadcasts one’s allegiance, they circulate exhaustive evidence that they view as exonerating for the singer, while shouting down news outlets they consider inaccurate and biased.
Brewing for weeks, their fight kicked into a new gear on Sunday, with the airing of the first half of “Leaving Neverland,” an HBO documentary about two men who say Jackson repeatedly sexually abused them as children.

Ads for MJInnocent.com on buses in London and digital billboards in the United States are proclaiming: “Facts Don’t Lie. People Do.” Under the Twitter hashtag #MJFam, dozens of fan accounts have encouraged counterprogramming to the film, instructing followers to stream Jackson’s music instead of watching. And on Sunday night, fans deluged the #LeavingNeverland hashtag with thousands of tweets, dominating discussion of what they called a “mockumentary” and attacking the two men at its center.

[Michael Jackson cast a spell. “Leaving Neverland” breaks it, our critic writes.]

Dan Reed, the director of “Leaving Neverland,” which concludes on Monday, said that his company had received “dozens and dozens and dozens and dozens” of emails from Jackson fans — “a deluge of hatred” beginning within 20 minutes of the film’s announcement in January. He and the two men in the film, Wade Robson and James Safechuck, said that some fans had taken it even further, with threats of violence.

“One can only compare them to religious fanatics, really,” Reed said. “They’re the Islamic State of fandom.”
Jackson’s supporters don’t see it that way. Since accusations in 1993 by a boy and his family ended with a $23 million settlement, the fandom’s party line has been that any allegations amounted to extortion plots by hangers-on hellbent on tarnishing Jackson and exploiting his naïveté.

A specific strain of the Jackson faithful has pored over the granular details of his life and cases, including the 2005 trial in which he was acquitted of charges he molested another boy, in hopes of proving his innocence. Those fans — including the young and old, from Queensland, Australia to Moscow to Huntsville, Ala. — view “Leaving Neverland” as a manipulative, one-sided hit piece that rehashes old allegations from inconsistent sources.
The film has also turned what was for years a niche obsession for many Jackson fans into a mainstream battle.
If you’ve been a fan for a long time, you’ve seen this over and over again,” said Casey Rain, 30, a musician and YouTuber living in Birmingham, England. He called “Leaving Neverland” a “sick attempt at hijacking the Me-Too moment.”

Many Jackson fans resort to indiscriminate, anonymous hate mail targeting journalists and Jackson’s accusers. Others like Rain show their devotion in deeper ways, painstakingly constructing videos and epic polemics that weave together court papers and obscure interviews, then sharing and resharing their work across multiple platforms.

“There’s nothing about Michael that the fan community doesn’t know,” said Rain, whose blog post about “Leaving Neverland” became a go-to text even before the documentary aired. “I really don’t think that we lack objectivity on him.” (Rain and others who had not yet seen the film said their information came from a few Jackson fans who attended the Sundance premiere and took “very, very detailed notes.”)

Susanne Baur and Elena Ovchinnikova, who co-author the blog Vindicating Michael, said they prefer not to be called Jackson fans at all because fan “has a too negative connotation of adoration and worship,” Baur, 60, wrote in an email from southern Germany.
Instead they identify as researchers and activists who view Jackson as a civil rights case. In a post about “Leaving Neverland” that totaled more than 10,000 words, Ovchinnikova, who is 65 and based in Moscow, parsed the changing stories of the two men in the film and concluded that they are liars.
“The reaction of the M.J. community is absolutely adequate,” Ovchinnikova said via email. “It is the reaction of knowledgeable people who have to talk to ignoramuses.”

Linda-Raven Woods, a 56-year-old from Huntsville, called herself a former “die-hard metalhead” whose lingering questions about Jackson’s guilt after his death had led her to fansites.

Wowed by the depth of their research, Woods realized, “This is why they defend him so passionately,” she said. She is now an administrator of @MJJLegion, a Twitter account with more than 80,000 followers that has been busy coaching fans on how to counteract the documentary.

Some of these supporters acknowledge that the elaborate lengths of their writing and reasoning invites comparisons to conspiracy theorists, or as Damien Shields put it, a “ranting mob.”

But Shields, the author of a book on Jackson’s music and a fan for more than two decades, said it is all a matter of perspective: “We also view the media as a ranting mob in some circumstances.”
He said that the fans’ support comes from a place of love and passion, comparing those on social media to the Britney Spears fan Chris Crocker, who cried “Leave Britney alone!” in an infamous viral video.
“That’s Michael Jackson fans on Twitter times a million,” Shields said.

In the cases of Robson and Safechuck, fans note that both had previously testified that Jackson never abused them, and that they later unsuccessfully sued the singer’s estate. (Their claims are now under appeal.)

Both men said that it took them years to accept that they were abused and that they had felt pressured to testify on Jackson’s behalf. Reed, the director, said the film was, by design, “about how Wade changed his mind and confronted the truth about what happened to him” — a “radical reassessment of what it all meant.”

In an interview, Robson said that he understood the way many still cling to Jackson’s “very particular angelic persona.” He added, “That was so palatable for so many people, including myself.”

Robson and Safechuck said they, too, had faced an onslaught since coming forward, with Robson describing “thousands of extremely volatile and nasty emails or social media comments.” They cited the intensity of Jackson’s defenders a possible reason more people
don’t come forward. “It’s an extremely terrifying thing to do,” Robson said.

As the film’s television premiere approached, some fans struggled with keeping up the fight for Jackson’s reputation as they also girded themselves for the increased scrutiny.
While some said they would boycott the film because it does not include outside context or interviews with defenders, others said they would stomach it for the good of the community.
“I need to know what we’re up against,” said Woods of @MJJLegion.

Shields said he couldn’t help but feel a sense of dread about the coming months: “This literally could be the end of Michael Jackson if — big if — someone in a position of repute doesn’t decide to tell the other side of the story,” he said.

In the meantime, it was “almost like therapy” for fans to do their part to push back on the claims. “Even if their part doesn’t actually make any impact,” he said, “at least they tried their best.”

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Like virtually all #MichaelJackson accusers #JamesSafechuck & #WadeRobson had horrific stories to tell-except under oath. Both sold their stories after failing in lawsuits vs Jackson estate. Both sold their allegations to tabloids for profit, rather than testify to them in court.

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A quick note specifically for my friends who do not consider themselves to be Michael Jackson fans, and might be curious about his name being in the news again.

Many of you know I spent 18 years of my life working with this guy in the studio, in his home, on film shoots, etc.

Over the past seven years I have hosted roughly 170 events, lectures and seminars about Michael's working style, songwriting, recording and stage techniques to nearly 6000 guests in 17 countries.

I guess in a slightly unexpected way, Michael continues to be part of my life, even a decade after his death.

HBO has unfortunately decided to air a movie this weekend with some horrific allegations, from two men who claim they were abused by Michael. One even claims it happened in a studio where I was present. It goes without saying that the filmmakers did not request to talk to me - or any of the team from that era.

I'm not here to convince you of Michael's innocence, or beg you not to watch the movie. (Although I am told it is vile). I'll spare you long paragraphs about the Make-A-Wish kids and burn victims who were regular guests at Neverland. Or the nasty tweets sent my way this past week.

As your friend, I simply want you to know this: If there were one cell in my body that somehow believed that Michael could irreparably harm a child, I would immediately cease my seminars and stand side-by-side with these two men. That is not the case.

Michael is a media joke, I get it.
He had a ferris wheel in his back yard and was friends with a chimp.
He loved Disney and movies and popcorn with hot sauce.

He was also good to me, and good to my family.
He was gentle, generous and remarkably talented.
He had a moral code that was unusual in the music industry, and I think that's part of the reason he and I got along so well.

I wasn't with him 24/7.
I can't claim to know his heart, any more than I could with any of you - my friends.

I feel the weight of it - he's an easy target, then and now.

But I stand by him, based on my countless hours of being with him in the studio, in his home, in production trailers, video shoots and backstage.

I have testified on his behalf in federal court - and I would do again tomorrow.

I stand by him not because he was famous, but because he was my friend.

Over those 18 years there was never one single moment where I "looked the other way". Not one.

Over those 18 years I never saw, heard or felt even a hint of anything remotely inappropriate. Nothing.

If I thought he - or anyone - was hurting a child, I would have been the first to call the police.

Thanks for taking to the time to hear my perspective. I'm happy to discuss further if you are interested, but my seminars will continue as planned, and I am proud and grateful for the friendship I had with him.

Thanks again -

Brad

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Jermaine Jackson‏Verified account @jermjackson5
So many in media, inc @Oprah, blindly taking #LeavingNeverland at face value, shaping a narrative uninterested in facts, proof, credibility. We faced similar "graphic" claims + trial-by-media in '05. Jury saw through it all. Trial-by-law proved Michael's innocence long ago. Fact.







Taj Jackson‏Verified account @tajjackson3
Before you make up your mind,@TheEllenShow, please ask your buddy Justin T. his thoughts on Wade Robson. I’m sure he will have a lot to say to you about Wade’s credibility and character . Or ask Janet. They both KNOW what Wade is capable of.





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Oprah asking why Wade would want to work for the Estate if he was abused. Wade still saying he didn't know he was abused





Interesting.
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I don’t believe Michael Jackson’s accusers in ‘Leaving Neverland’
by Eddie Scarry
| March 04, 2019
Every major advance review of HBO’s "Leaving Neverland" gave the impression that audiences would invariably come away from watching it convinced that Michael Jackson sexually abused little boys. That’s not what happened for me.


In fact, after watching, I disbelieve the two men in the documentary. It isn't hard.

The first half of the film aired Sunday night. It recounts the allegations of Wade Robson, now 36, and James Safechuck, who is 41. Both were friends of Jackson in the late 1980s and early 1990s, and both now say that Jackson kissed them, masturbated in front of them, and engaged in oral sex with them.
The allegations aren’t new. Both men several years ago filed lawsuits against the Jackson estate for their supposed abuse. Their claims were dismissed because of the statute of limitations under California law.

Both men had also in the past stated under oath that Jackson never behaved inappropriately. Safechuck made his statement when he was still a child during the 1993 sexual abuse trial against Jackson, which was ultimately settled out of court.
But Robson’s situation is even more bizarre. He, like Safechuck, said in 1993 that he was never abused by Jackson. He was a child then as well but even as an adult, he testified a second time that there was no misconduct. In the 2005 trial against Jackson, again, for sexual abuse, Robson was in his early 20s. Under oath, and presumably sitting before a plaintiff who had accused Jackson of sexual abuse, he again said that that Jackson had not molested him.

You can imagine that a child, in shame and fear, would refuse to admit he had been inappropriately fondled. It's even reasonable to imagine adults keeping silent out of the same fear or shame. But why would he go to the length of testifying falsely on Jackson's behalf in court, under oath, and then continue to maintain that position right up until it was too late to make a real difference?
From the 2005 court transcript:

Counsel: “Mr. Robson, did Michael Jackson ever molest you at any time?”
Robson: “Absolutely not.”
Counsel: “Mr. Robson, did Michael Jackson ever touch you in a sexual way?”
Robson: “Never, no.”
“Leaving Neverland,” isn’t the soul-shaking experience that critics claim it is. If not for journalists still enthralled by the #MeToo movement, it wouldn’t even register.

It’s supposed to be OK to hate Michael Jackson now. He’s dead and he can no longer defend himself. Besides, settling the score on old sexual abuse claims is all the rage. (See “Harvey Weinstein,” et al.) But the media have mistaken the #MeToo movement for a blanket of justice where every accusation of sexual misconduct is presumed true. They can't all be true.

Like the accusations against Justice Brett Kavanaugh — he was in a rape gang! — the ones against Jackson in "Leaving Neverland" are as believable as you want them to be.

New York Times critic Wesley Morris scandalized readers with a Feb. 28 review, describing a scene in the documentary where Safechuck displays jewelry that he says was given to him by Jackson. “[T]here’s something about the way the filmmakers reserve this scene for the back end of Part 1 that ices your bones, something about the way an adult Safechuck doesn’t seem to want to go back there,” wrote Morris. “But here he is, talking in a TV documentary about the vows he says that he and Jackson exchanged. Here he is, forlorn, holding the ring that he’s kept, all this time, in a handsome box.”

That description did not at all match the scene that viewers were ultimately treated to on Sunday. Safechuck pulled out a box of jewelry. Though he says he doesn’t like looking at it, it’s clear that he cherishes it. He hasn’t let it go in more than 30 years. Why would he? After all, it was only given to him by the man that Safechuck says masturbated while watching him naked, bent over on all fours.
Assume that the jewelry really was given to him by Jackson. I don’t buy that he “doesn’t seem to want to go back there.” In fact, throughout the documentary, it’s clear that both Safechuck and Bronson do want to “go back there.” They recall at length being friends with the biggest star the world has ever seen, the perks of being so close to Michael Jackson.

They both discussed how they were flown around the world to appear with him on stage during his concerts. Robson was in Jackson's music videos. Safechuck was featured in one of his iconic Pepsi commercials. Both men recount their friendships with Jackson in vivid, exciting detail: the hotels, the flights, the life.

It’s only when they describe the coming end of their time with Jackson that they seem upset.

They're wistful. They remember no longer feeling like they were his “favorite."

I don’t believe Robson or Safechuck.

“Leaving Neverland” doesn’t look like an expose on sexual abuse. It looks like a break-up story, with additional accusations thrown in and legitimized by the #MeToo era.

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Salma‏ @thewayuloveme90
I'm going to be real for a minute. I've had my abuse experiences, I work with children of abuse, and this is not believable. If Wade or James actually were abused to the point that there was excessive blood loss, REST ASSURED they would've had to be hospitalized.







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#leavingneverland As for the gloves, Wade Robson wore them at the Janet Jackson VMA tribute in 2009 because he wanted to "feel closer" to Michael Jackson. In 2011, he auctioned them because he needed the money. Then he sued his estate.

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RazörFist‏ @RAZ0RFIST
Safechuck's Mom says she "danced when Michael Jackson died, because she knew 'he would never hurt another child' in 2009.
Even though her son didn't 'realize' he was abused until 2013.
Conclusion: We should believe the accusers.
Because they're Time Travelers.







Defending Neverland: Statement from The Jacksons

Published: 04 March 2019

From Jackie Jackson, Tito Jackson, Jermaine Jackson, Marlon Jackson

"This Wednesday and Thursday Channel 4 is launching an attack on our brother Michael. He is not here to defend himself, so we feel compelled to do it for him.

Michael is innocent of these baseless allegations of child abuse, sexual misconduct and paedophilia. The only thing that Michael was ever guilty of was being naïve to what the outside world may think of those beautiful days that our families and friends all enjoyed at the Neverland ranch.

This film rehashes accusations against Michael that have already been shot down in a court of law.

Michael loved his family, his friends and lived life to the fullest before it was so cruelly taken away. Now that life of kindness and generosity is being tainted.


We are told that the film carefully curates selected extracts from past interviews Michael did in life, strategically edited to answer allegations made after his death - answers to questions that were never in fact put to Michael. This is not a neutral search for the truth, but a kangaroo court-like film made with a clear agenda to sensationally besmirch the good name of Michael.

The subjects of the "documentary" - James Safechuck and Wade Robson - who have come forward now, have absolutely zero credibility and the courts have already assessed that no rational person could believe that Robson is telling the truth.

With no facts, no credible witnesses, no evidence, the film is a hurtful falsehood.

Robson at the 2005 trial gave unequivocal sworn testimony that there was no inappropriate behaviour or abuse and continued to praise and defend Michael against the allegations. Then, years later in 2012, Robson claimed he was sexually abused."










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tjjackson9
I’ve always been close to my uncle but it was after my mother was murdered when I was 16 in ‘94 that he truly became invested into my wellbeing. He knew I was hurt. He knew I was damaged. He knew I needed help. And he rose up and showered me with love, gifts and inspiration. It wasn’t “grooming” as they want you to believe, it was needed LOVE.
My uncle was too good for humanity. Period. He had too big of a heart. He felt it was his mission to help those suffering, especially children. He donated hundreds of millions to help those in need. He opened up his home to thousands of underprivileged/handicapped kids every year to give them a day of pure joy. Why the media never gave or gives his generosity attention/praise is wrong. But because it doesn’t fit the description they want to portray on him, they never will.
Anyone who knows me knows I try to be as cordial, nice and help as many people as possible. I learned that from him. Trying to be half the man he was. ‪I wish the truth was equally as lucrative. I wish positivity sold. Instead negativity $ells, so with the help of every production trick possible these performers (one who has self proclaimed himself as the “Master Of Deception”) get a forum to try to help their billion $ lawsuits and try to be victims in this important time of the #MeToo movement. And with the support of Hollywood powers who have always disliked my Uncle (such as Oprah) they will do their part to try to level my uncle even though he can’t defend himself and he can’t shred their claims. Disgusting and sad.

RIP Uncle Michael. You were too good for this world. I love you and thank you! Meho






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Ratings: “Leaving Neverland” Not a Ratings Smash for HBO, Beaten by “Real Housewives of Atlanta,” “Beachfront Bargain Hunt,” Survivalists Show
After all that, “Leaving Neverland” was not a smash hit on Sunday night. Modest hit maybe is the best way of describing it.

The controversial Michael Jackson doc attracted just 1.285 million viewers at 8pm on HBO. It was beaten by “Real Housewives of Atlanta,” “Beachfront Bargain Hunt,” and the survivalists series “Naked and Afraid,” all on cable.

If it had competed with network shows, “Leaving Neverland” tied with a rerun of “Bob’s Burger’s” on Fox.

The top rated cable show of the evening was “The Walking Dead,” itself dying with just 4.7 million viewers at 9pm on AMC.

“Leaving Neverland” had more publicity than any show in 2019 on any channel. It’s possible that the ratings will rise via repeated viewings over several days including other HBO outlets. But the build up to the 8pm showing on Sunday was the target, and it wasn’t the hot button everyone anticipated.

A million more viewers– 2.3 million– tuned into a Hallmark Hall of Fame cable romcom show called “When Calls the Heart,” just to give you an idea. And that was like watching warm milk cool.

Did the Jackson supporters warn people away from “Leaving Neverland”? Possibly. Or just the shock value? But in the end it may not have been worth it for HBO ratings-wise. On Saturday night, HBO scored a better total number at 8pm with a showing of a bad movie called “Skyscraper.”








TSCM‏ @MJJRepository
LN was promoted by every outlet imaginable for 2 months.

1000s of "blue ticks" & mega mouths like Oprah promoting it to millions.

Private & boat-side screenings, Sundance drama.

Reed/WR/JS media publicity tours.

And it STILL had 1M less viewers than a romcom on Hallmark!






caramella‏ @Caramelicedtea
The Wade Robson YouTube video the fans made dissecting his stories has over half the number of views as the documentary itself got at 650,000, with zero PR or global hype machine









Facts Not Quacks‏ @dawnddurante
#AfterNeverland As an attorney, I watch these "documentaries" (hint: they aren't) & watch the makers take their audience anywhere they want them to go. The audience ends up w/the strong feelings the producers want. You're being manipulated. Get pissed about THAT.







Darren Holden‏ @darrenholden72
Watching now @HBODocs Sorry but to me this seems very forced and fabricated. Really feels like these alleged victims are after their pot of gold.
I am watching with an open mind but.....sorry...nah.

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https://www.showbiz411.com/2019/03/05/u ... 2k2FkxCFsA
Yikes! The second night of “Leaving Neverland” was worse than the first.

Only 927.000 people watched. The audience didn’t break 1 million. Oprah’s “After Neverland” did worse–780,000.

Viewers rejected the stories of Wade Robson and Jimmy Safechuck. I’m amazed. I really thought this would be a blockbuster.

But the overall negativity and pointlessness of the documentary left audiences cold.

This is very important: no victim of sexual abuse should ever be disbelieved, or ignored. Everyone should share their stories, and there is no shame.

But “Leaving Neverland” broke several conventions of documentary. It functioned not as journalism but as a personal grudge. I expected lie detector tests to show the veracity of the claims. But there were none.

There was also no context provided. No medical or psychological expert to explain how Jackson could have been one way with so many other children, and this way with Safechuck and Robson.

Also, you can never underestimate the power of the Michael Jackson fans. They’ve organized before to fend off Jackson accusers. I’ve seen some pretty ill informed criticism of them by people who were in foreign territory.

Michael Jackson was no angel. I watched him do a lot of crazy and mean things over the years. He was terrible to his employees at Neverland and Hayvenhurst. He wasn’t so nice to the fans when his trial was over. They thought they’d be going to a picnic at Neverland. Michael just shut the gates and left.

There’s more to say, but for right now, it’s instructive to see how ratings bottomed out.

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You could see on Twitter that a lot of people--not just the loyal fans--were bailing on bloated #LeavingNeverland. Robson's demeanor turned them off. Weird laughing from all of them at inappropriate moments. No counter voice or even independent voice. Never added up.








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RazörFist Retweeted Natalie Mars
They deserve to be believed when they present EVIDENCE. Not 4 hours of mood music, drone shots & contradictory hearsay.
Safecuck claims he was abused at the Grammys in LA... when it was actually in New York that year. He says he was given a 'wedding ring'... but "lost" the vows.







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DangerousPYT Retweeted Darrin Henson MrDhen
So this lying sack of garbage, who claims Michal Jackson was innocent in a criminal trial, then changed his story to obtain a billion dollar pay-out civilly...has been observed French kissing his own sister at a Vegas club? What in the entire hell??









Myra Hissami‏ @mhissami
#MichaelJackson wore an armband to remind us children are suffering around the world. He wanted to make the world a better place & was the human representation of love & peace. He was so pure, that society has difficulty understanding him, but that reflects more on us than him
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Judi Brisse‏ @JudiBrisse
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I worked in the house at Neverland when the Safechucks were there, in the early 90’s. They had no problem taking advantage of Mr.Jackson’s generosity back then. Michael was never on property when they came. He chose not to be.






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Replying to @lisakohphoto @ToniJones28 and 5 others
and as soon as the estate and organization moves on from you, you all of a sudden come with allegations. Especially on someone who is no longer here to defend themselves. You all watch a "documentary" and believe these are all facts. Great...but I actually know this dude.







Leaving Neverland Facts‏ @NeverlandFacts
Just Asking: @danreed1000 tells @Oprah Robson, Safechuck and "families' aren't paid from #LeavingNeverland. The morning after it airs “Robson Family Fund” is suddenly changed to “Robson Child Abuse Healing and Prevention Fund.” Coincidence?










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KerryWard Retweeted nik tooke
So Robson claims #MichaelJackson abandoned him after puberty...this photo was taken around 1997....
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Michael Jackson Could Be Guilty as Hell, and HBO’s Leaving Neverland Would Still Be Unfair
by John Ziegler | Mar 5th, 2019,
I have never been a fan of music legend Michael Jackson in any significant way. I have also long believed, even before I covered his criminal trial as a Los Angeles radio talk show host, that he was very likely a pedophile.
On Monday, I watched all four hours of HBO’s Leaving Neverland, along with Oprah Winfrey’s hour-long discussion with the film’s stars, mainly out of curiosity. As documentary filmmaker myself, I wanted to see what kind of content could possibly compel such an extraordinary endeavor about a man who has been dead for a decade.

I came to these shows with a unique perspective. I have spent much of the last seven years independently investigating the “Penn State Child Sex Abuse Scandal,” and taking more flak than maybe any modern media figure for their educated opinion on a matter of great controversy — one which, to this day, is still being adjudicated on multiple fronts.

To be clear, while Jackson was properly acquitted given the evidence presented in his 2005 trial, I have no problem accepting the probability that he was indeed a pedophile (though, I should note that I am convinced that Jackson’s criminal attorney, Tom Meserau, whom I have gotten to know pretty well, sincerely believes him to be innocent). It also appears that the two primary figures in this film, Wade Robson and James Safechcuk, were indeed sexually abused.

While I still have some questions about why there is not more compelling corroborating evidence against Jackson at this juncture (when he clearly has no power to keep people quiet), that is not the point of this column. For the purposes of this endeavor, I am presuming Michael Jackson to be guilty as hell, and Robson and Safechuck to be totally telling the truth.
Even factoring in that presupposition, however, what HBO did was very wrong. In the spirit of basic fairness and the avoidance of incredibly bad precedents, which create dangerous new rules, Leaving Neverland should never have been broadcast in its current form.

Because Jackson was acquitted in a criminal case, never even found liable by a civil court, and cannot defend himself because he is dead, this should have required HBO and director Dan Reed to reach a far greater threshold of evidence than might normally be the case (one of the disconnects in our legal and journalistic system is that it is easier to do this show about dead person, no matter how unfair that may be, because the deceased can’t be legally “defamed”). Having produced a movie so one-sided that it really shouldn’t even be called a “documentary,” they clearly failed to meet that burden.

To put it a slightly different way, had Jackson been convicted and confessed, this film would have been perfectly appropriate and possibly quite helpful in the cause of understanding the impact on victims of this kind of horrible crime. But the film’s primary problem, which the director inadvertently admits to in the Oprah-hosted “post-game” show, is that from the start he presumes Jackson to be guilty, and his subjects to be telling the full truth, and therefore there is no need to focus on anything but the impact on them.

I’m sorry, but Reed skipped a couple of really important steps here. Since it has never been done in court in this case, you need to first prove guilt before you can simply decide to let two victims who, despite being given the opportunity to do so as fully-grown adults, never testified against Jackson, with one of them, Robson, actually acting as one of Jackson’s two star witnesses at his trial.

This doesn’t mean that Robson and Safechuck aren’t telling the truth. It does mean however, that the audience should at least be made fully aware of the problems with their stories, and they should have something, anything, to corroborate their claims before being given such a huge and unrestricted platform.

Here, Leaving Neverland fails on both counts.

Part one, broadcast for two hours Sunday night, completely withheld all potentially problematic information from the audience, as
Robson and Safechuck were given about an hour each to tell their stories in the most sympathetic light imaginable. There was not one remotely skeptical question, any semblance of a constraint on what they could say about Jackson, and absolutely not even one second for what passed as a rebuttal to the horrific allegations being made against him.

It wasn’t until part two, Monday night, when Reed finally let his audience, which has already become emotionally invested in his subjects, know the following facts, for instance, about Robson:
•He testified on Jackson’s behalf in a civil matter when he was about 12, which he now says was five years into his seven years of continual sexual abuse.
•He testified on Jackson’s behalf in the criminal trial when he was about 22, and a celebrity in his own right.
•His mother and sister also strongly testified on Jackson’s behalf at the criminal trial.
•Both his mother and his then-soon-to-be wife asked him point-blank before the criminal trial if Jackson had ever done anything wrong to him, and he completely convinced both of them that he had not.
•When Jackson died, he issued a glowing statement of extraordinary praise of Jackson and attended his funeral.
•His story only radically changed four years later when he filed a lawsuit against Jackson’s estate, which failed on statute of limitations grounds.

None of this proves that Robson is lying, and the story of abuse that Robson tells now is extremely graphic and seemingly credible. But that’s not the real issue.

The problem is that allowing someone with that factual background to tell their story essentially unedited, without a hint of scrutiny, without a shred of corroboration, about an un-convicted dead man, is both wrong and treacherous. Quite simply, you can’t have a “he said, he said” situation about such an incredibly inflammatory charge, especially when one of the two people who were in the room is dead, and the other one told the 100% opposite story while under oath, twice (and, if you do, you should damn well interview some people representing the other side, which Leaving Neverland does not).
While Oprah (who, it should be pointed out, played a key role in the Michael Jackson hype machine back in the day) at least made meager efforts to promote some semblance of fairness by reading a blistering statement for the Jackson family, and gently asking a couple of half-way decent questions, she was very poorly positioned to take part in this project. Oprah — an abuse victim herself — has championed this cause, and comes off as too invested in believing all abuse allegations to give stories like these the scrutiny that a journalistic endeavor should demand, regardless of how politically incorrect it may be to do so, or how truthful those stories may end up being.
This is an opinion piece. The views expressed in this article are those of just the author.

At least this is one journalist who is being fair and balanced.







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Wade Robson Changes Donation Page After Backlash From Michael Jackson Supporters
Wade Robson has changed the name of a fund set up to collect donations in the wake of HBO airing “Leaving Neverland.”

The recently established fund, set up through Hawaii Community Foundation, was originally named “Robson Family Fund,” and “created a powerful way to contribute towards the healing from and prevention of child abuse.”

Donations started at $250, but the charity did not specifically say where the money would go. Robson and his wife, Amanda, began taking heat online from people suggesting they were trying to cash in on the controversy from “Leaving Neverland.”

Tuesday morning, the “Robson Family Fund” page was removed and replaced with the “Robson Child Abuse Healing and Prevention Fund.” Along with the new name, the page also touts a personal donation from Robson of $10,000.

The charity page also links out to Robson’s website, which now features lots of resources for sexual abuse survivors, including books, therapy information and tips on meditation.

As we reported, sources close to the estate and family of Michael Jackson believe Robson only participated in the HBO documentary to boost his own fame, and have pointed out inconsistencies over the years in his allegations of abuse regarding the late singer.

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Michael Jackson's legacy clouded by dark documentary

By Associated Press

Published: 18:14 GMT, 5 March 2019

LOS ANGELES (AP) - Can the memory of Michael Jackson survive "Leaving Neverland"?

After all, it has bounced back before. The superstar's image was tarnished by allegations of sexual abuse that shadowed him throughout much of his adult life and even stood trial on child molestation charges in 2005, for which he was acquitted. His untimely death in 2009 seemed to wash that stain away in an outpouring of public love and a resurgence of sales of his always popular music.

Now, 10 years later, the HBO documentary "Leaving Neverland" has aired detailed and disturbing stories from two men who say Jackson groomed them for sex and molested them when they were just little boys.

It has cast a spotlight on Jackson's unsavory history at a #MeToo moment when old allegations against stars have been taking hold, and taking them down.

So far, there has been no evidence of major damage to Jackson's music or his estate, which has made an estimated $2 billion since his death. His music has been featured in commercials and is the subject of a Cirque Du Soleil show in Las Vegas. A play about his life by Pulitzer Prize-winner Lynn Nottage is due out on Broadway next year.

And it may not. After all, Jackson is dead now, which means he can't be charged or put on trial, keeping the story in the headlines for months or years to come.

And there is Jackson's nearly unparalleled star status - starting out as a cherub-faced 11-year-old sensation with the Jackson 5, then catapulting into a global phenomenon with the world's best-selling album of all time, "Thriller," to his credit and hits adored by multiple generations.

"It's hard to compare someone of Michael Jackson's caliber to anyone else," said Danny Deraney, a publicist who often handles crisis management. "I don't think we've seen anything like it."

Still, Oprah Winfrey, with her vast influence, may have heralded a shift in public attitudes just by hosting the special "After Neverland," in which she interviewed the documentary's subjects, James Safechuck and Wade Robson.

"I hope we can get beyond Michael Jackson the icon, stop staring into the sun, and do what is necessary to help our children and ourselves," Winfrey said in front of an audience of sexual abuse survivors and their supporters.

She did not directly condemn Jackson. But she praised the film, treated its assertions as truth, and said that she was expecting an earful from Jackson's defenders.

"I'm gonna get it," Winfrey, who interviewed Jackson before the allegations emerged in 1993 and his family after his death, said at the end of the show that aired Sunday and Monday on HBO and OWN just after the documentary.

And she did. Even before the special taped, she was subject to fierce criticism by some who left disparaging comments on her social media account.

It could be that Jackson's fandom is so pervasive, especially in countries that don't follow his personal news closely, that the documentary and renewed allegations will just make a small dent.

"For Michael Jackson's fans, more so probably outside of America, I don't think it will have an effect, because they'll ride or die with Michael," Deraney said.

Robson and Safechuck's allegations didn't emerge until 2013, when they filed lawsuits seeking money from Jackson's estate that have since been thrown out and are under appeal. Both men had previously denied Jackson sexually abused them and had been among his fiercest defenders when Jackson was alive, but say having their own children and Jackson's death led them to confront their truth.

Because of the men's past denials, some Jackson fans have dismissed their testimonies as lies, motivated by money. Some even refused to watch the documentary. Still, after the film began airing, there were casual fans who felt gutted by the revelations, with some saying they could not listen to his music the same way - if at all.

"People have already made the decision one way or the other," Deraney said. "I think when a lot of people think of Michael Jackson they already think 'pedophile,' whether or not there is any proof."

"I think what it comes down to," Deraney added, "is future generations."

Many millennials have only vague knowledge of the Jackson accusations, and are shocked even by facts that are acknowledged by both sides.

"I'm young enough to have not been aware of the allegations about Michael Jackson as they were happening," 31-year-old New York Times columnist Jamelle Bouie tweeted while watching the documentary. "It is WILD TO ME that anyone thought his behavior around and constant contact with young boys was remotely okay."

Some of Jackson's fellow artists have indicated they will not give him and his influence up easily, and say they can separate the performer from the person.

Jason Derulo recently released the first music and videos from a planned boxed set of EPs that the singer and dancer made in tribute to Jackson. It's set to be released in its entirety on June 25, the 10th anniversary of Jackson's death.

"Michael was the sole reason I started singing and dancing, so this was a way for me to give back," Derulo, who has not seen "Leaving Neverland," told The Associated Press. "I started this project because of my love of the performer that Michael Jackson is and the influence that he had on my life as the best performer that ever lived. This has nothing to do with anyone's personal life."

India.Arie says it was right to speak out against R. Kelly, who faces new sexual abuse charges after the Lifetime documentary "Surviving R. Kelly" aired more than a decade after he was cleared of child pornography charges. But Jackson's situation is different, the singer said.

"I think it's too late for people to be saying 'mute Michael Jackson,'" Arie told the AP.

"With R. Kelly there's video," she said, referencing a sex tape that allegedly shows the singer's abuse. "With Michael Jackson, there's a lot of speculation. I don't know if it's going to go as far. ... Not because we love him more, I just think it's a different situation."

Jackson's estate, his most ardent fans, and his family, have no such ambiguity in their views. They say the documentary repeats discredited allegations from admitted liars.

Jackson's brothers said they were already in a rough period of managing his memory and legacy with their father Joseph Jackson's death last year, when they heard that "Leaving Neverland" was coming.

"This time is difficult for us because you know Michael, coming up on the 10th anniversary of his passing and my father passed away six months ago," Marlon Jackson told the AP last week. "So those things are still there, and you never get rid of them. You learn to live with them. And now we're dealing with something that's totally different but has no truth to it. There's no facts at all."

At least one prominent and formerly devoted fan says he's been forced to reconsider.

"I've spent a lifetime loving MJ," Los Angeles Times music writer Gerrick D. Kennedy wrote after seeing the documentary's premiere at the Sundance Film Festival.

"Roughly an hour into 'Leaving Neverland,' it felt like my chest had caved in .... It wasn't long before I accepted that 'Leaving Neverland' would force me - and likely many others who also feel a deep connection to Jackson's work - to see that none of us really knew him. And that maybe we'd been avoiding the truth."

The subjects of the documentary themselves don't have strong feelings about whether people should give up Jackson's music.

"It's a chance to reevaluate who you want to be your idols," Safechuck told the AP at Sundance. "Because you can write a song, does that mean you should be people's moral compass? ... It's less about tearing down somebody and more about an opportunity of who do we want to look up to."

"There's plenty of other amazing people to fill that role."

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Associated Press Writers Gary Gerard Hamilton and Lindsey Bahr contributed to this report.







EXCLUSIVE: Lawyer who took Wade Robson's deposition in Michael Jackson's child molestation trial in 2005 says the Australian dancer and his co-accuser James Safechuck are lying - simply chasing 'fame and money'

Brian Oxman has hit out against Michael Jackson accusers Wade Robson and James Safechuck, saying the two are lying about the King of Pop abusing them
Oxman was Jackson's lawyer during his 2005 child molestation trial and took Robson's sworn out-of-court testimony ahead and had numerous calls with him
The 66-year-old said: 'I cannot tell you how many countless times Robson told me: ''Michael did not do this. This boy (Arvizo) shouldn't be doing this'''
He added: 'Wade and I discussed explicit details of the allegations... he always stuck to his story that Michael was innocent of these charges'
Lead defense attorney Thomas Mesereau asked Robson outright three times and he denied each count, according to the transcript dated May 5, 2005
Oxman said: 'For him to change that story all these years later means he lied to us all, including the court - and that is perjury'
Oxman added that HBO's Leaving Neverland documentary is not 'balanced' saying it's a 'one sided attack on a dead man from two perjurers'

By Ryan Parry West Coast Editor For Dailymail.com And James Desborough For Dailymail.com

Published: 20:14 GMT, 5 March 2019 | Updated: 20:51 GMT, 5 March 2019

The attorney who took Wade Robson's hours long deposition ahead of Michael Jackson's now infamous 2005 child molestation trial says he and James Safechuck are lying about being abused by the King Of Pop and insists the pair were never paid off by the superstar.

The bombshell documentary Leaving Neverland premiered on HBO on Sunday, detailing the shocking abuse allegations made by the two men.

But Jackson's former lawyer and confidante Brian Oxman, 66, blasted the film, claiming Robson and Safechuck are simply chasing 'fame and money.'

And for the first time the former attorney - who knew Jackson for three decades - details to DailyMailTV how he had numerous telephone calls with Robson to take his sworn out-of-court testimony ahead of the Gavin Arvizo trial and reveals how he repeatedly stated: 'Michael never abused me.'

The once high-profile attorney was on the defense team which successfully helped Jackson get acquitted of 14 charges of abuse leveled at him by accuser Arvizo.

And at each point during his deposition and while sitting on the stand, Oxman says, Robson was 'adamant' that Jackson never touched him or any other children.

Oxman said the Australian dance choreographer even volunteered to fly from his homeland to defend the Bad singer at the highly publicized trial.

And the attorney said an emotional Robson was tearful during their lengthy phone chats, telling him: 'They shouldn't be doing this...tell Michael we are in his corner...I will do whatever it takes to be there for Michael.'

In an exclusive interview Oxman told DailyMailTV: 'We heard the prosecution were planning to make a case that Michael had abused Wade.

'Obviously we reached out to Robson after that to ask him to give evidence about what he knew.

'He was hesitant at first to go public in this case, but did always say Michael never touched him.

'We weren't sure he was going to give evidence, but he kept calling me asking about the progress of the case.

'He was very concerned and was so upset that he had a change of heart.

'And I was charged with taking his deposition. I spent many hours talking to him on the phone and cannot tell you how many countless times Robson told me: ''Michael did not do this. This boy (Arvizo) shouldn't be doing this.''

'He always tried to reach Michael and told me, ''Can you get a message to him that we are in his corner'' and added, ''I will do whatever it takes to be there for Michael.''

Oxman says the detailed deposition covered every aspect of Robson and Jackson's relationship and the allegations of abuse the prosecution asserted.
Oxman said the Australian dance choreographer volunteered to fly from his homeland to defend the Bad singer at the highly publicized trial

. And the attorney said an emotional Robson (right) was tearful during their lengthy phone chats, telling him: 'They shouldn't be doing this...tell Michael we are in his corner...I will do whatever it takes to be there for Michael'

Oxman says the detailed deposition covered every aspect of Robson and Jackson's relationship and the allegations of abuse the prosecution asserted.

Let's not sugarcoat this matter,' Oxman explained. 'Wade and I discussed explicit details of the allegations and any things he may have felt were inappropriate, but he always stuck to his story that Michael was innocent of these charges.

On one occasion there was talk of abuse at a hotel, but Robson hit back: 'No that was not true and my mother was there.'

'Over each conversation he was adamant, and I was so confident in his testimony that I arranged for the ticket from Australia for him to be a key defense witness.'

Oxman insists there was no secret monetary deal struck with Robson other than to pay his travel expenses.

'It was simply a payment of a witness' reasonable expenses to attend, which is statutory, and we stuck to the ethical boundaries,' he said. 'It was arranged strictly through attorneys not Michael.'

Oxman arranged for Robson to fly to Santa Barbara from his home in Australia for the trial in Santa Maria, California, and refutes claims that Jackson coached or bribed him.

'Michael nor any of the legal team paid him a dime to give evidence or talk positively about Michael,' Oxman said.

'And any suggestions that Michael had contact with the witness at that time to coerce him is nonsense too, because it would be undue influence. Under my instructions they did not meet or talk.

'And at that time given how prosecutors were keen on getting Michael for anything, that did not happen on my watch.'

After Robson jetted to California to testify as a key defense witness, Oxman recalls being in court to watch his testimony held over two court sessions.

And in court transcripts obtained by DailyMailTV his denials couldn't be clearer.

Lead defense attorney Thomas Mesereau asked Robson outright three times and he denied each count.

According to the transcript dated May 5, 2005, Mesereau asked: 'Mr Robson did Michael Jackson ever molest you at any time?'

The choreographer, then 26, replied: 'Absolutely not.'

The lawyer then followed up: 'Mr Robson did Michael Jackson ever touch you in a sexual way?

Robson responded: 'Never, no.'

Then he probed again: 'Mr Robson has Mr Jackson ever inappropriately touched any part of your body at any time?' Robson again said: ''No.''

Oxman fired back on the court documents: 'It clearly shows the two men are liars. Robson told the court the same thing he had told me many times before, and had sworn on the Bible. So for him to change that story all these years later means he lied to us all, including the court - and that is perjury. But it is such an old case, the police will not act.

'And I count at least six felonies if he is really telling the truth now. I just do not buy it. Even if he told his version of events now, he would have been impeached because he told the police in 1993 that Michael did not abuse him.

'I would have loved to have stared into his eyes and cross examined him for this TV show.'

The former lawyer added that the documentary is not 'balanced' saying it's a 'one sided attack on a dead man from two perjurers'.

He said: 'It is a disgrace that they had a guarantee that no one would confront them.

'The Jackson family members would all have lined up to give their versions.'

Oxman says he did ponder for a moment whether the two men, who as children spent time in Jackson's bedroom, could be telling the truth - but he reflected: 'Wade never changed his story for many years and I do not believe what he is saying today. It is for fame and money.

'Personally it sickens and hurts me that they would stoop this low.

'The Michael Jackson I knew was not a child abuser and I knew him throughout the whole of his life.'

However, Oxman did admit that Jackson refused to stop entertaining children at his Neverland ranch, despite his nearly $25 million payoff to Jordie Chandler in 1995.

'We told Michael it is was too risky. He was always insistent: ''I am not doing anything improper and I am not going to let my critics dictate my life.''

'From my knowledge there was someone present who watched and nothing ever took place that was improper.

'His theory was that he did not have a childhood and this was his decision.

'I challenged him about his great childhood, but he always said, ''I would have liked to have played more, and lived like other children... and so I am doing that now.''

Oxman, who can no longer work as an attorney after being disbarred by the California Bar Association in 2012 over misuse of a client's trust, says he's still close to the Jackson family. He reveals Jackson matriarch Katherine has been rocked by the HBO documentary, which has affected her health, while other family members are livid at Robson and Safechuck.

'Wade always said that he supported Michael to the family, and they were grateful when he gave evidence in the trial,' he explained.

'So for this to happen now is like a dagger to their hearts, and they cannot understand why he is doing it. It's a betrayal and everyone feels it is money motivated.'

In 2005 Jackson endured a painful three months on trial for seven counts of child sexual abuse on 13-year-old cancer survivor Gavin Arvizo.

But the jury found the superstar innocent of all charges.

Unfortunately Oxman was fired from Jackson's defense team by lead attorney Mesereau before the trial concluded.

He later appeared as a legal expert on a range of TV programs including Good Morning America, Nancy Grace and Larry King Live.

The former attorney believes the ordeal and toll of the trial led The King of Pop into a downward spiral that ended with his drug induced death on June 25, 2009.

Oxman, who also acted as the Jackson family lawyer for years, said: 'Michael never recovered from the 2005 trial. It was the beginning of the end for him.

'He was cleared and was innocent of every charge, but the damage was done mentally and physically.

'In a poll 80 percent of the American people believed he was guilty. It still shocks to me to this day.

'Whatever he did wherever he went a cloud hung over him.'

'Michael couldn't stop thinking about it; it tormented him everyday as he relived those court moments.

'The kid looking at him in the eye and saying you molested me. It destroyed him - his spirit, spark, outlook on life, friendships and heightened his dependency on drugs to escape those flashbacks.

'The mental and drug damages proved too much and within four years he was dead.

'And it breaks my heart still to this day that a case I lived ate and breathed that Michael was innocent from the start. He should never have even been on the stand.'

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An Open Letter

From the Schleiter Family


Hi, we are Franziska, Anton, Marlies and Wolfgang – brother and sister and our parents. We were close friends with Michael Jackson from childhood on. What we are about to say comes out of a place of great love and appreciation. If you would like to quote this text, please do not take it out of context and always link back to this page. We won‘t be giving any interviews to the press. Thank you for understanding. This is all we have to say:








04.03.2019

Enough is Enough.

In 1995 we first met Michael at a German TV Show. That day, something that we could never have imagined in our wildest dreams happened. It was the start of a unique friendship. A friendship so normal yet so unusual and magical. One that would last until the very last day of Michael‘s life and will continue forever in our hearts.

From the beginning we knew that what we were privileged to experience, was a treasure worth protecting. Especially regarding the world we live in, with media that wants to make up stories that sell, rather than seeking the truth and people who want to read shocking headlines rather than knowing the truth. Over the years we were offered over a quarter million of Euros for interviews, but no money in the world could ever materialize a value that would stand above the value of our memories with Michael. This is the reason why we have never spoken a word publicly about our friendship.

Something has changed our mind about speaking up lately. The utter shocking news of a new documentary that would portray Michael once again as a child molester. Even writing this sentence, putting his name and that word together, makes us feel sick to our stomach. Michael never behaved inappropriately towards us and we neither witnessed nor suspected him doing it to someone else ever.

We have been angry with the public treatment of Michael many times in the past, but we chose to stay silent - hoping the truth to run marathons and protecting Michael and his privacy.

And we had good reason to be angry, for example when Anton was falsely portrayed in a German tabloid as having a homosexual affair with Michael. We witnessed first hand how ugly the media can be and how they make up most terrible lies just to have a story. When our father denied to talk to an inquiring journalist on the phone, the story read something like "Father refuses to defend Michael". Unfortunately scandals sell much better than anything else.

Spending a lot of time with Michael, we experienced two-faced people more than once. When Michael was in the room, they acted most charming with seemingly good intentions, but once he turned his cheek they would become rude and you could sense that their intentions were not that good after all. In front of us, they didn‘t care showing their real face. We were only the shy German family in the background, not worth paying attention to. But we were observing and slowly but surely we started to get a glance at the often difficult world Michael was living in. It was a world in which it was so very difficult to trust.

And yet Michael was kind to everybody he would meet and believed in the good so strongly. Some would call it naiv, to us it was just one of his character traits that made us look up to him. Giving everybody a chance, even if you've been fooled by people over and over, really is remarkable. And it makes us even more sad to know, that many took and still take advantage of this.

Being around Michael made us realize that everybody wanted a piece of him. We often wondered why, from all people, he would let us into his circle of trusted friends. Now we understand it was maybe the fact that we didn't want anything from him and simply enjoyed being together. When he offered to pay for our education, our parents denied because it was too much of a gift. It was a no brainer for us then, but looking back on it now, it was probably something that Michael didn't experience often.

Those who wanted a piece of his fame or his money did not care about Michael as a person or about his kind heart and uplifting spirit. It is truly a shame and we almost feel bad for those people in a way, because blinded by money, they probably didn't realize that they just had the honor to meet a person that has a uniqueness about him that the world would only witness every other century. His music, his message, his creative and genius mind was truly one of a kind.

While our friendship with Michael was very normal in a sense that we hung out, chatted on the phone, went to the movies just like friends do, it was also magical in the sense that Michael had a warmth about him that was captivating. You would immediately feel comfortable and safe around him. He was one of the most humble persons we've ever met, always putting the well being of others over his own. There was never a single moment of doubt of his pure heart and intentions, which also led our parents to allow us to travel alone with Michael.

Though we‘re speaking up today, we still want to protect and respect our personal stories. What we can say though, is that each and every time we had to say good bye to Michael, we all cried because we knew how much we would miss him. The times we spent together were the most fun. And while Michael was always up for a good water balloon fight, he was also a great mentor, teaching us about life and sharing his incredible knowledge. We can remember how excited he was to tell us about the Wright brothers when he learnt that we had never heard of them. He gave us books and movies of stories we could learn from and he was eager for us to develop our talents.

We understand that our story can only put a small piece of the puzzle together for those who are still in doubt of what to believe about Michael Jackson. To those who still doubt that he was innocent, we can only plea to simply do your own research. And if the fact that Michael had to endure every possible raid of privacy in his trial in 2005 and still was found NOT GUILTY on ALL CHARGES, if this fact is still not enough for you, then maybe you can simply listen to his music.

Meeting many of his fans over the years, we were astounded how much they “got him“ as a person, even though they never personally met him. Michael and his fans had a unique friendship of their own. He trusted them and it is no wonder why they continue to trust in his good heart. They simply listened to his music and to his words. If you listen closely you‘d know all of his stories and you‘d know what kind of person he was. You would know that his mission for his time on earth was not only to bring happiness in form of melodies and rhythm but also to change the world to the better.

Boy, how he could inspire us to be our best selves and to show more love and respect to each other! Yet people choose to blow up lies that threaten to overshadow all of the greatness this man has brought.

Enough is enough.

Today we speak up for Michael because he deserves better and because he was the best friend we could have ever imagined.

Anton and Franziska and our parents Marlies and Wolfgang






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I enjoyed this @piersmorgan parroting the Jackson corporate line


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Or just putting to you the obvious questions any journalist should ask about your documentary, which is based on the testimony of accusers who said (under oath) the complete opposite before Jackson died, and now stand to make millions from his estate by changing their stories.








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Celebrities: Do your research, or shut up. If you haven’t read the court documents, shut up.
People who mouth off about subjects they know nothing about are imbeciles.
When they have influence, they’re also dangerous.
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Hard to believe they were talking about being sexually abused - not sure I'd see anything funny in it!

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I challenge @danreed1000 the creator of Leaving Neverland to a 10 minute debate and I will expose Wade's lies very rapidly. I dare you to speak to someone who knew Michael Jackson like I did and hear the facts instead of the rubish fantasy fiction you're perpetuating. Too scared?








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Why is there so little media skepticism about Leaving Neverland and its allegations against Michael Jackson?

By David Walsh
6 March 2019

On March 3 and 4, US cable and satellite television network HBO aired Leaving Neverland, a 236-minute documentary directed by British filmmaker Dan Reed, in two parts. The film is a co-production between HBO and UK broadcaster Channel 4. It premiered at the Sundance Film Festival in late January.

Leaving Neverland consists principally of two men, Wade Robson and James Safechuck, detailing their claims that pop singer Michael Jackson sexually abused them as children over the course of many years, in the 1980s and 1990s. Other members of their respective immediate families are the only other interviewees in the documentary.


Michael Jackson in 1988 (Photo-Zoran Veselinovic)

Jackson, the third most successful musical artist of all time and a tragic victim of the American entertainment industry, died of a drug overdose in June 2009. Both Robson and Safechuck, who spent considerable time with Jackson when they were young, were strong defenders of the singer while he was alive.
Robson, a dancer and choreographer, twice testified under oath that Jackson had done nothing wrong. He was a defense witness in May 2005 during Jackson’s trial on child sexual abuse charges (at the end of which the pop star was found not guilty on all 14 counts). Under sustained grilling by the prosecutor in the case, Robson was adamant that Jackson’s conduct had never been inappropriate. He also spoke strongly about Jackson following the pop star’s death.

Robson made a sudden volte-face in 2013, when he filed a lawsuit against the Jackson estate alleging that he had been systematically molested. That case was thrown out on the grounds that he had waited too long to take legal action. A subsequent suit against two corporate entities owned by Jackson when he was alive was also dismissed. Safechuck added his name to Robson’s lawsuit in 2014. He too had always previously insisted on the innocence of his friendship with Jackson. Robson and Safechuck, who are appealing the dismissal of their suits, are represented by the same law firm. An attorney for the Jackson estate in 2013 termed the Robson lawsuit a money-grab, “transparent … outrageous
and sad.”

Reed’s Leaving Neverland, over the course of four hours, does not provide the opportunity for anyone to rebut the Robson-Safechuck charges. There are only two brief acknowledgements that “another side of the story” exists: an intertitle revealing that Brett Barnes and actor Macaulay Culkin, who are referenced in the film as other boys whom Jackson befriended, continue to deny any impropriety, and a brief video clip of Jackson’s attorney in the 2005 case, Thomas Mesereau, commenting in 2013 on Robson’s “very, very suspicious” change of heart.

The vast bulk of the interminable, claustrophobic Leaving Neverland, aside from the many irrelevant aerial shots of the various cities and locales mentioned in the interviews, intended presumably to help relieve the tedium, consists of Robson and Safechuck setting out their claims. They do so in lurid and semi-pornographic detail. Things have come to such a pass that this exercise in voyeurism and prurience is described as “hard-hitting” and “riveting.” On offer here is a purported view of what went on in Michael Jackson’s bed, as though that could be illuminating or valuable in any possible fashion.
Even if Jackson were a pedophile, and the film’s “first-hand account” provides no substantiation whatsoever of that claim, those who made Leaving Neverland and those promoting it are morally deplorable and shameless. They are seeking to profit from the film and exploit the events to advance their careers and make money.

Director Dan Reed is a dubious figure. His filmmaking career embodies the unattractive confluence of tabloid journalism, the “global war on terror” and #MeToo campaigning.

The Pacific Standard magazine in 2016 headlined an article about Reed, “Meet the filmmaker who recreates terrorist attacks for HBO.” The piece explained breathlessly that Reed specialized “in helming non-fiction films about modern terrorist events. These documentaries air in the United States on HBO and are all preceded by a fittingly intimidating disclaimer—they are called (in order by year) Terror in Moscow, Terror in Mumbai, and Terror at the Mall.” His next effort, which also aired on HBO, was Three Days of Terror: The Charlie Hebdo Attacks. (Other films include From Russia with Cash, Frontline Fighting: Battling ISIS and The Paedophile Hunter.) None of his works strays from the official government line on any issue and none indicates the slightest interest in the geopolitical and social concerns driving US and UK interventions in the Middle East, Central Asia and elsewhere.

Everything about Leaving Neverland produces a bad odor.
Reed, Oprah Winfrey and others insist that the film is not meant as an indictment of Jackson, but intended to “open a discussion” on child sexual abuse and related questions. If that is so, why does the film not include a single appearance by a psychiatrist, an expert on pedophilia or anyone else genuinely qualified to address such issues? The sordid, sensationalized motives are expressed in the structure and overall feel of the film itself. Leaving Neverland is not designed to educate, but to numb, intimidate and pollute.

In a February 7, 2019, letter addressed to HBO Chief Executive Officer Richard Pepler, attorney Howard Weitzman, representing the Jackson estate, asserted that his client had “spent years litigating with Robson and Safechuck, and had four different lawsuits by these two men dismissed with prejudice. (Today, Robson owes the Estate almost seventy thousand dollars in court costs, and Safechuck owes the Estate several thousand dollars as well.) In those litigations, the Estate discovered troves of information about Robson and Safechuck that made it unequivocally clear that they had no credibility whatsoever.”

Weitzman went on, “Robson and Safechuck are now appealing the dismissal of their multi-million dollar lawsuits. Not coincidentally, their appeals are likely to be heard later this year. HBO’s ‘documentary’ is simply just another tool in their litigation playbook, which they are obviously using in a (very misguided) effort to somehow affect their appeals.”
Referring to the trial in 2005, he argued forcefully, “Michael Jackson was subjected to a decade-long investigation by an overly-zealous, ethically-challenged, and ultimately disgraced prosecutor in Santa Barbara County, Tom Sneddon, who looked anywhere and everywhere for supposed ‘victims’ of Jackson’s. Yet, he never found those ‘victims.’ Indeed, the 2005 criminal trial of Jackson was a complete farce, and Michael Jackson was completely exonerated.

“As anyone who has studied that trial knows, the jury utterly repudiated the prosecution’s case. In both his opening and closing statements, Jackson’s attorney, Tom Mesereau, took the unusual step of telling the jury that they should acquit Jackson because Mesereau and his team had proven Jackson innocent. In other words, he did not try the case as a ‘reasonable doubt’ case. Mr. Mesereau tried the case with the purpose and goal of proving Jackson innocent. And he did exactly that. As recently as 2017, several jurors were re-interviewed about the case in light of Robson’s about-face, and they all agreed that they would still acquit Jackson today. The jurors have been interviewed many times; they are articulate bright people, not the gullible idiots that Dan Reed tries to paint them as in his ‘documentary.’ Yet HBO is relying on the uncorroborated stories of two admitted perjurers over the weight of the American justice system.”

Weitzman concluded, “We know that HBO [now owned by AT&T] is facing serious competitive pressures from Netflix, Amazon and other more modern content providers, but to stoop to this level to regain an audience is disgraceful. We know HBO and its partners on this documentary will not be successful. We know that this will go down as the most shameful episode in HBO’s history.”

It remains the case that “sex sells,” and HBO officials were more than willing to degrade themselves with this travesty of a documentary in the interest of audience numbers and profits.
The WSWS wrote a number of times on “Michael Jackson’s tragedy,” beginning in December 2003 and continuing through his death and memorial in June 2009.

At the time of his arrest on charges of child molestation in 2003, we noted that “a life spent in a show business cocoon” had seriously damaged him (the “Peter Pan” complex, the immaturity, the questionable marriages, etc.): “What are other people to make of Michael Jackson when he obviously has so little idea of who he is himself?”

We insisted that Jackson was entitled to the presumption of innocence and argued that even if he “were proven guilty of such crimes as to justify his being separated from the community, a humane society would view him with sadness and even sympathy, rather than scorn and hatred.” We argued that “having helped create Jackson, manipulated his appeal and nurtured his personal eccentricities,” the establishment would now make use of him as a scapegoat or sacrificial lamb.

Another observation on the WSWS in 2003 proved all too prophetic, “However Michael Jackson’s court case turns out, one has the feeling that a sad, perhaps even tragic fate lies in store for the performer. Everything about American society and its entertainment industry in particular, of which he is both a celebrated figure and a victim, would seem to point in that direction.”

Even in death, it turns out, the sharks and scavengers will not let him rest.
A striking feature of the present situation is the almost universal acceptance of the Robson-Safechuck claims by the American media. The word of two individuals, who have been seeking monetary compensation from the Jackson estate for years, is taken as gospel. Why is there so little skepticism, why are so few questions being asked? This is not a reflection of “popular opinion,” as it were. It is not difficult to find on various “non-authoritative” websites and blogs serious and sometimes insightful criticism of Leaving Neverland.

Even in the 2003–2005 period, during Jackson’s trial, which was a debacle for the prosecution, and in its aftermath, there was a general sympathy for the singer in liberal and left circles. We remarked in 2003 that the “campaign by Santa Barbara authorities against Jackson has reactionary political and social overtones. County district attorney Tom Sneddon is a conservative Republican with an ax to grind.” Sneddon was associated with the Bush forces and evidently saw himself as “a crusader in a cultural and moral war.” This writer was invited to discuss the Jackson case on a Wisconsin Public Radio program in December 2003, which included calls from listeners.

Things have changed. Upper middle class layers in and around the Democratic Party, immensely enriched by the stock market boom and other ill-gotten windfalls, have moved farther to the right. The #MeToo movement is one reflection of a social shift. Hostility to elementary democratic norms has “blossomed” among these layers. They have further differentiated themselves from the general population. Intense egotism and arrogance predominate among the affluent petty bourgeois, along with contempt for the masses. They calculate that with money comes wisdom, and their word should be law. The accuser “must be believed” is now the watchword, and presumption of innocence and due process be damned.
The allegations of Robson and Safechuck cannot be doubted or even scrutinized, because that would throw the entire #MeToo witch-hunt into question.

Billionaire Oprah Winfrey, who utters another banality every time she opens her mouth, is the spiritual-financial leader of this movement and the New York Times is its intellectual “backbone.”

The Times’ Maureen Dowd, one of the moral pillars of our time, penned a disgusting column denouncing Michael Jackson on February 16, “The King of Pop—and Perversion.” This is from the newspaper that speaks for New York City’s super-rich and has promoted every bloody crime of American imperialism for the past two decades.

Dowd writes, “As Leaving Neverland shows, Michael Jackson spent his life shape-shifting from best pal, father figure and beneficent idol into cruel, manipulative rapist.” The film, in reality, does not show anything. It passes on the unsubstantiated, unproven assertions of two individuals. The columnist continues, “It was apparent for decades that Jackson’s cotton-candy lair was sulfurous. But as with other monsters—Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, R. Kelly, Woody Allen, Jeffrey Epstein and Bryan Singer—many turned a blind eye.”

Dowd’s reactionary, McCarthyite smear—merely one of dozens in the mainstream media along similar lines—is the product of an unhinged, increasingly right-wing layer.
To present Jackson as a “monster” is dishonest and reprehensible. His difficulties and peculiarities did not come out of the blue. What was his life? As we noted 16 years ago, “An almost preternaturally talented boy from a dysfunctional, working class family, Jackson was swept up by the American entertainment industry’s bone-crushing machinery.” One way or another, his quasi-infantilism was linked to the lack of a genuine childhood.

Now, more than ever, such social and psychological considerations are simply wiped away, dismissed with contempt. There isn’t a trace of sympathy or elemental humanity in the media coverage. The creation of “monsters,” sexual predators and the like, has become essential to the operations and agenda of the Democratic Party in particular, utterly incapable of addressing the underlying social rot and misery in America.

Michael Jackson has been dead for nearly a decade. Now he is being excoriated, trampled upon once more—for what? The whole business has degenerated into a squalid pursuit of money and career advancement. We condemn it.









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We’re out across London tonight posting these through letterboxes...making sure the message gets into people’s homes, where they watch TV!
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No sane person with a heart can sit for 4 hours listening graphic child porn fantasies. No real victim can give graphical details of their abuse while giggling

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Charles Thomson‏ @CEThomson
#LeavingNeverland is a journalistic atrocity. It offers no corroboration of its allegations & covers up years of court records showing the money-seeking accusers have been consistently caught lying, omitting facts & contradicting their own stories.







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Robson: “I lied under oath in 2005 because I felt bad for my abuser.”
When asked why he desperately wanted to choreograph MJONE in 2012
Robson: “I didn’t realize I was abused yet.”
Ohhhhhhhhhh not buying it.






Bobo Of Glasgow‏ @BoboDemeraras
#LeavingNeverLand Fabricated, badly acted sensationalism. I’ve seen better acting in Hollyoaks for Christ’s sake! Michael Jackson was the clear victim here, not these lying bankrupt shitehawks and their families. Fuck them.






Lachlan Bradbury‏ @Lachlan95m
Safechuck says there were ‘wedding vows’ and they both ‘signed documents.’ He’s kept photos, he’s kept phone conversations, he’s “kept” the rings - WHERE is the signed document??
How do we know he didn’t just buy those rings himself later?







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The Safechucks were Michael Jackson groupies (Not Fans) after the Pepsi promo tour they fell in love with MJ and started following his tours all over the world doing all they could to be seen, dressing up like MJ. They even harassed us in Vegas. GTFOH!








Mark Summers‏ @marksummerscast
Some of us were lucky to work with #MichaelJackson & working with #mj I saw 1st hand how some of the press would write anything they wanted about him to make money & even after his death they still are doing the same.







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soooo .. Robson has opened a charity for CSA vicitms but won't accept donations LESS than $250 ?? What kind of charity is this that thinks they are too good for 10, 15 25 dollar donations?








Keya Morgan‏ @KeyaMorgan
Michael Jackson NEVER "paid off" anyone. They asked him for money, but he refused to pay hush money. 1 year later an insurance company paid without MJ's knowledge. Read the court document:
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Autumn Jackson‏ @AutumnJoi
To me, @Corey_Feldman's new perspective exemplifies everything that is potentially dangerous about the Metoo Mvmt. Anyone can be a 'victim' today. Anyone can call themselves a 'victim' and use it as method to monetize, manipulate, etc... all while being irresponsibly supported by






I apologise in advance for some negative reports from UK newspapers BUT it is important to know what is being said in order to defend more affectively.
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'A crafty, manipulative paedophile who can rot in hell': Britons react with disgust as sex abuse claims against Michael Jackson are finally aired in the UK… but the singer's fans leap to his defence
•The explosive documentary Leaving Neverland aired in the UK for the first time
•Many viewers voiced support for the two men who accused Jackson of abuse
•But others said it was a shame that Jackson was not alive to defend himself
Television viewers have been left sickened after explosive child sex abuse claims against Michael Jackson were aired in the UK for the first time last night.

The disturbing Leaving Neverland documentary, shown on Channel 4, saw two alleged victims tell in graphic detail how the 'King of Pop' abused them over several years.

Hundreds took to Twitter to voice their support for accusers Wade Robson, 36, and Jame Safechuck, 41, hailing their courage for coming forward.

But others leapt to the singer's defence, saying it was a 'shame we can't hear Michael's side of the story' following Jackson's death in 2009.


It was aired hours after protesters gathered outside the central London offices of Channel 4, holding banners claiming he was innocent and chanting: 'facts don’t lie, people do.'

The first half of 'Leaving Neverland: Michael Jackson and Me' last night, with part two due to be broadcast tonight. It has already been shown in the US.

One viewer wrote last night: 'Just watched. I'm sick to my stomach ! To think I was a big Michael Jackson fan. He was a crafty manipulative paedophile. ROT IN HELL.'

Another said: 'Watching part one of the Leaving Neverland doc and my heart is literally shattered for these men.'

Others were left moved by the harrowing testimony from Safechuck and Robson, with one adding: 'My heart breaks for these guys. They were so overjoyed and happy to meet this megastar - their idol and he abused them in return.

'You can hear the pain and trauma in their voices when they're recalling what happened.'

Caleb Staples also took to social media, saying: 'I don't know if I believe the victims in Leaving Neverland but if what they're saying is true by heart goes out to them.'

And Rayanne Rodier said: 'I am so impressed by the courage of James Safechuck and Wade Robson. It breaks my heart to see how they are struggling with what happened to them.'
Another Twitter user said: 'Watching part one of the Leaving Neverland doc and my heart is literally shattered for these men.'

However fans of Michael Jackson were more sceptical of the claims against him, which have also provoked a fierce reaction from the singer's family.

One viewer said: 'It's such a shame that we can't hear Michael's side of the story and we never will.'

JReg said: 'I'm only 30 minutes into this documentary but it's a shame Michael Jackson is dead because I'd love to hear what he had to say about it.'

Another Twitter user called Rob said: 'However terrible the things he did are, they don't detract from the quality of the music he made.'

Steve M wrote: 'Nothing would stop me listening to Michael Jackson's music and this hash of a documentary with badly acted 'victims' certainly won't.'
Christopher Wade said: 'Massive fan of Michael Jackson. Don't want to believe it, so not going to.'

Another commenter called Ashley said: 'Nothing was any more proven in Leaving Neverland than it was in any of the old court cases. So don't let this documentary taint Michael's genius music.'

Mr Safechuck was 10 years old when he met Jackson in 1986 on the set of a Pepsi advert.

He alleges that Jackson, who throughout his life denied any allegations of sexually abusing children, showered him with gifts while grooming both him and his family.

Mr Robson, an Australian, was five when he first met Jackson after winning a dance competition in Brisbane. He alleges similar abuse.

In the wake of Leaving Neverland, there have been reports of radio stations dropping Jackson's music from their playlists, while some fans on social media have said they are boycotting the star.
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Jackson's estate wrote to Channel 4 last month claiming the documentary violates the network's programming guidelines.

The family has denounced Leaving Neverland, saying: 'Michael always turned the other cheek, and we have always turned the other cheek when people have gone after members of our family — that is the Jackson way.

'But we can't just stand by while this public lynching goes on…. Michael is not here to defend himself, otherwise these allegations would not have been made.'

The family points out that Jackson was subjected to a thorough investigation which included a surprise raid of his home, the Neverland Ranch, but was still acquitted at his criminal trial in 2005, in a case involving another young man.

Mr Robson testified at that trial, saying he had slept in Jackson's room many times, but that Jackson had never molested him.

Mr Safechuck made similar statements to investigators as a boy.
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Both men filed lawsuits in 2013 saying stress and trauma had forced them to face the truth and admit they were sexually abused.

The British director of Leaving Neverland has insisted the two men accusing Michael Jackson of child abuse and rape are not after payouts from the singer's estate.

Dan Reed called Mr Robson and Mr Safechuck 'very credible witnesses' and insisted there was strong corroborating evidence backing up their harrowing claims.

'They want justice, they are not fussed about the money. I don't know what they would do with the money when they get it,' Mr Reed said yesterday.

'The thing you have to understand about child sexual abuse is that, very often, a strong bond forms between the predator and the child and that bond can last for many, many years and that's what's happened in this case.

'The corroborating evidence around their accounts is very strong, I've looked at that. If you watch the film and you see how their families have just been devastated by what happened.'
Meanwhile Roxanne Pallett broke her eight-month social media silence to stand up for Michael Jackson.

The 36-year-old actress reactivated her Instagram account on Wednesday to share a picture of the late singer that she captioned: 'Just because you read it in a magazine or see it on the TV screen, don't make it factual...'.

Alongside the caption, which are lyrics from Jackson's song, Tabloid Junkie, Roxanne added the hashtags '#mjinnocent #mjfam'.

A friend of the star told MailOnline: 'Roxanne has been off the grid, shutting down everything in her life including work offers, and social media so she could privately treat her PTSD and panic disorder in EMDR therapy.'

They went on: 'However, as a lifelong Michael Jackson fan she was crushed at the backlash her idol was getting so she defiantly reactivated her Instagram account to defend and support him.

'She's been an MJ fan since she was young and grew up to his music and so she just wanted to voice support for the Jackson family.'








As a mother of two who watched last night's chilling Michael Jackson documentary, SARAH VINE asks: Why DID parents leave their poor boys at the King of Pop's mercy?

By Sarah Vine for the Daily Mail

Published: 23:53 GMT, 6 March 2019
There are many disturbing moments in Leaving Neverland, the documentary directed by British film-maker Dan Reed that was broadcast on Channel 4 last night. Amazingly, not all of them directly feature Michael Jackson.

For example, there's the revelation that the parents of Wade Robson (one of the two men who allege that Jackson sexually abused him as a child) left their seven-year-old son on his own with the star at his Neverland Ranch to go off on a road trip — having spent barely a few hours in the singer's company.

And the moment when the mother of Jimmy Safechuck — Jackson's other alleged victim — describes life in the pop star's entourage with breathless enthusiasm: 'He flies you first class, you have a limo waiting for you at the airport — it's amazing!'

This was the point I found myself yelling at the TV: I'm sure that was lovely — but did it never occur to you that there might be some kind of agenda going on? A reason Michael Jackson was flying your very beautiful young boy all around the world first class? A price, perhaps, to pay for all his too-good-to-be-true generosity?'
That said, I'm afraid there can be little doubt: Jackson's well-documented interest in children — and young boys in particular — hid a very disturbing truth.

The King of Pop, the man whom millions idolised for his musical genius, was almost certainly a serial paedophile who skilfully groomed not only his victims but also their entire families.

He seduced starry-eyed parents into giving up their precious sons in exchange for a whiff of celebrity and a few nice hotel suites.

As the mother of a teenage boy who, like many, loves Jackson's music, it makes my blood run cold.
Of course, we don't have 100 per cent proof. But even I, someone very much of the opinion that a person should be innocent until proven guilty, and trial by television documentary can never be a substitute for trial in court, cannot deny that these testimonies are very powerful indeed.

They are intense, moving and, at times, deeply distressing. The abuse is described in graphic, unbearable detail, the anguish etched on the men's faces.

There is no question — in my mind — that they are sincere about every word they say.

Of course, there is no incontrovertible proof that Jackson had sex with these men when they were just boys — in one case aged only seven.
But there is an overwhelming body of circumstantial evidence that can no longer be ignored. In particular, the fact that, like many serial sexual offenders, Jackson had a tried and tested modus operandi.

He chose star-struck children who were in awe of him. He befriended their parents — often themselves fans — and made himself a part of their lives, integral to their existence.

He flattered the boys by appearing to prefer their company over anyone else's and gave them a tantalising glimpse of his celebrity lifestyle. He promised to help them with their future careers, appealing to their ambitions and those of their parents. And when he had them in his thrall, he made his move.

He did this not only with Safechuck and Robson, but also with a third boy called Jordan Chandler, whose parents brought a case against Jackson in 1993, accusing him of 'sexual battery'.

At the time, Robson and Safechuck stood up for Jackson, with Robson telling CNN that the 'sleepovers' at Jackson's house were wholly innocent, and Safechuck testifying in his defence.

It is this, Jackson's defenders claim, that discredits their testimonies and shows they are just money-grabbing fantasists. But that's clearly not the case. Watching this film, not only is their sincerity palpable, it's also easy to understand why, as children, they took their abuser's side.
Like so many victims of sexual abuse, they believed Jackson the abuser loved them. And they loved him. Naturally, they wanted to protect him. Especially from a rival for their affections.

In fact, the way in which Jackson seems to have played the boys off against one another is one of the more distasteful aspects of this sordid tale.

One of the most poignant moments is when Robson talks about the betrayal of seeing Jackson with his 'new friend', the child star Macaulay Culkin. 'He and Michael had all the connection and secret things that Michael and I had,' he says, the jealousy, hurt and confusion evidently still raw.

Robson's mother describes how the attention from Jackson dried up after Culkin — who has always denied being abused by the star — came on the scene.

'It broke my heart to see him waiting for that call,' she says. 'After a while, I realised there was a pattern. Every 12 months there was a new boy in his life.'

The boys trusted and adored Jackson, believed him when he said they were special.

But the awful truth is that they were just toys to him — playthings which he used and abused and then tossed aside once he had grown bored of them.

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After the release of #LeavingNeverland investigative journalist @CEThomson tells @BenFryer and @sonwatson that Micheal Jackson lived a unique life and accusations being made against him are not backed up with solid journalism.







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Steve Dennis‏ @SteveDennis71
Speaks volumes for #LeavingNeverland that @danreed1000 asserted on @GMB that there's "masses of corroborating evidence" from the '05 MJ trial. What crap. The flimsy prosecution case was dismantled under cross-examination and rejected by a jury






Jules‏ @JAF_Jules
Currently watching the infamous #LeavingNeverland can't believe people fell for this. One compelling story. Great editing and Bgm, bad acting. I feel sad for the REAL victims out there. Now that EVERYONE can CLAIM they're victims. How PEOPLE can easily LIE and get away with it.





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It's quite incredible that so much of the UK isn't buying LN, despite the constant and heavy, daily smear stories in all the papers (not just tabloids), TV shows and the news.




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It's not just whether you "believe" Robson/Safechuck, it's also whether you "believe" a shamelessly one-sided movie that bends over backward to keep the viewer in the dark about motives, inconsistencies, and lies that continue to this day.





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Absolutely right...must be driving them nuts as they have nothing to sensationalise which is the purpose of this whole charade. Know you are loved by those who care. And we all have your back no matter how you want to deal with this bollocks.





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For such a horrific subject I really don’t think a documentary like this should have been allowed. There will always be a divide and opinion on MJ but the one FACT we know is,both men testified in court “nothing inappropriate ever took place”when he was alive.







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Dan referenced a Neverland maid's eyewitness account. She said she saw MJ showering with a young Wade Robson — a claim recycled to this day. Except, when pressed, she admitted to seeing only the shadow of a man. Alone. Through foggy glass. Scrutiny does wonders for truth.
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The New Lynching of Michael Jackson: Dan Reed’s Leaving Neverland May, In Fact, Leave Blood on Many Hands

By: Linda-Raven Woods

America has a long and sordid history of lynching or unfairly convicting African-American men based on the false allegations of white accusers. The names known to history echo loud and long — Robin White, Emmett Till, Charlie Weems, Ozie Powell, Clarence Norris, Andrew and Leroy Wright, Olen Montgomery, Willie Anderson, Haywood Patterson, Eugene Williams (the latter nine known collectively as “The Scottsboro Boys”) to contemporary names such as Vincent Patton, still serving time in Angola Prison despite the fact that his white accuser later confessed that “all black men look alike” to her and therefore she could not even say with certainty that Patton had raped her. And these cases do not even begin to include the many whose names have long been lost to history; those who paid the ultimate price for the paranoid fears of a Jim Crow-era America. “We currently live in a world of fake news and alternative facts,” wrote Martinzie Johnson in an excellent think piece titled “Being Black in a World Where White Lies Matter.” Martinzie then states, “white lies have tangible consequences.”

Martinizie wrote this piece a few days after a bombshell confession by Carolyn Bryant, the young white woman whose accusation of Emmett Till fifty-two years prior resulted in the 14-year-old boy being kidnapped from his uncle’s home and murdered by her husband and brother-in-law. It took half a century for Bryant to finally admit to biographer Timothy B. Tyson that“nothing that boy did justified what was done to him.”

The current hype that has been built around Leaving Neverland, a film directed by Dan Reed and funded and distributed by HBO in the U.S. and Channel 4 in the U.K., may appear deceptively at first as an important film for the #MeToo era, highlighting the alleged sexual abuse that Michael Jackson inflicted on two young boys who idolized him and fell-by grand and parental design-into his circle. At least, that is according to the hype that has been drummed up around it. But a closer look reveals many disturbing reasons to argue that this agenda-driven film has little to do with either journalistic integrity or concern for sexual abuse victims. Instead, there are many justifiable reasons to argue why this film is simply a new twist on the age-old concept of lynching a black man based on white lies. The fact that it is a black man who also just happened to be one of the most beloved and powerful figures in entertainment is, of course, the very matter at the heart of the film’s controversy, along with the fact that we are into the tenth anniversary of his passing. At a time when Michael Jackson’s life should be the subject of fond remembrances and reflections on his artistic legacy, we instead get this, the equivalent of a posthumous, 21st century lynching based on nothing but the uncorroborated testimonies of two men whose civil case against his estate has already been dismissed, not once but twice.
Why is the “woke” crowd so determinedly asleep at the wheel on this? And an even more troubling question: Why are so many of the most influential journalists in the U.S. and U.K. enabling it? Dan Reed’s controversial film has indeed accomplished one positive goal even before its scheduled broadcast, although it may not be the goal he intended.

For sure, the film has helped shed much needed light on the underbelly of #MeToo, revealing some startlingly dark truths about who the movement is designed to protect-and who it is willing to sacrifice.
But first, let’s back up and look at the key players in this drama. We have Michael Jackson, whose story has already passed into the realm of an American mythical figure, a poor black kid who worked his way up from nothing to become one of the most legendary musical figures of all time. This was a man who worked non-stop from the age of five to build his legacy. In the 45 years of his life that he gave to the public, he managed to break records, to achieve what few black artists before him had done (including owning, at one time, half the Sony-ATV catalogue), and to build a legacy that is intricately woven into the fabric of U.S. pop culture. But beyond that, he became a world icon in a way that only a very few American artists have achieved.

This is all a long way of saying Michael Jackson worked hard — damn hard — — to build what he achieved. And before we start trying to dismantle that legacy based on nothing but the words of two white men who joined his long list of hangers-on, we’d better be looking long and hard at the facts. That is, if we want to be able to live with ourselves in the aftermath.
But herein lies at least some of the problem. Most who have already followed the story to any degree are already at least superficially aware that there are inherent issues with the claims of Wade Robson and James Safechuck, the two subjects of this documentary. It is widely known, for instance, that Wade Robson-as a 23-year-old adult- testified in Jackson’s defense at his 2005 trial, swearing under oath and penalty of perjury that nothing sexual ever happened between them. But the inconsistencies, as well as problematic and ever changing timelines in their stories, goes much deeper.

On February 7 2019, the estate of Michael Jackson sent a strongly worded letter to HBO CEO Richard Plepler, followed by another a couple of days later to Channel 4 CEO Alex Mahon. The letter to HBO outlined, in painstaking 10-page detail, the long, problematic history of Robson’s and Safechuck’s claims (coming from attorneys who have spent the better part of the last six years battling these very allegations in court), while the letter to Channel 4 specified that the program is in direct violation of the channel’s guidelines for ethical journalism, citing a clause which states that any program making “significant allegations” must allow “those concerned” to be “given an appropriate and timely opportunity to respond.” Both letters were explicitly detailed, powerful complaints against the two accusers, highlighting the many various flaws and inaccuracies with their stories. Collectively, they revealed a dark history of two opportunists who took advantage of Jackson’s generosity and friendship.

Interestingly, what Dan Reed chose to leave out of his film is as interesting as what he chose to leave in. While I have not seen the film, I know sources who have, and who have been able to describe to me in detail what it represents. It is, quite frankly, a one-sided film in which only two voices are heard-that of Robson and Safechuck. Now, let’s make an analogy. Suppose you had to decide a court case based only on hearing the prosecution’s case presented? Suppose there is no defense, no cross examination, no presentation of exculpatory evidence, no opening statement and no closing argument? You would no doubt find the story as presented only through the voice of the prosecution and their witnesses quite compelling. It is only under cross examination that those stories often start to crumble, raising what we might call reasonable doubt. And it is only through exculpatory evidence that we can actually weigh an accused person’s guilt, or lack thereof.

Leaving Neverland is essentially the equivalent of sitting through a four-hour testimony of two prosecution witnesses offering their sales pitches, without benefit of cross examination. Entertaining? Possibly, if you consider four hours’ worth of extremely graphic descriptions of sexual acts against children entertaining. Truthful? Hard to say, except we know the track record of the accusers. Fair or ethical? Absolutely not, especially given that the accused subject of the film is deceased.

Which brings us back to Channel 4’s weak defense when confronted by the estate. Their claim is that the film contains denials Jackson made in his own lifetime. However, these would have been denials Jackson raised against the accusations made against him in 1993 and 2005. He did not have the opportunity to “deny” the accusations made by Robson and Safechuck, who waited four and five years after his death, respectively, to bring them.

As for HBO, their only response-after having it outlined for them in 10 excruciatingly detailed pages exactly everything that was wrong with the stories these two men are claiming- was that it was “powerful.” In other words, what they were actually confessing is that ratings matter more than truth, fairness, or accuracy.

This truly begs the question: Would HBO have been so quick to fund and support this project had its subject been any celebrity other than Michael Jackson? Moreover, would the immediate condemnation of the media have been as swift to rush to judgment without at least raising a question mark or a demand for vetting of the film’s accuracy? My guess is that the answer would be no.

Of course, if we raise that question, it would also be fair to acknowledge that Jackson’s legacy is one that many feel is already tainted by doubt. After all, he was accused by the parents of Jordan Chandler in 1993, and ten years later, the Arvizo allegations resulted in a grueling 5- month trial which ended in his acquittal on 14 counts. It would be understandable to have doubts and questions, as I did back in 2009 when I first began researching the allegations made against Jackson. For many, those lingering questions remained even after Jackson’s death. At the time, public sentiment largely fell into three camps: Those who always believed, unequivocally, in his innocence; those who said, “Whatever may have happened, it’s past; let him RIP” and then those few who continued, with dogged determination, to unearth his corpse and prop it up for re-trial in the court of public opinion. It may go without saying that those who are standing behind and supporting this project fall into the latter category. But unless we accept the naïve explanation that this project is all about “justice for victims,” there are bigger questions that need to be addressed: Who is really behind this? Also, why now, and what are they really hoping to gain from it?

It is astonishing beyond belief that no one in the mainstream media — not one serious investigative journalist — seems willing to raise these questions.
What many fail to realize is that Jackson became a target for a racist driven agenda. What appears, deceptively, as a case of “smoke and fire” was actually a long and quite convoluted history of “smoke and mirrors.” The first accusation grew out of a personal dispute between Jackson and the first boy’s father, Evan Chandler, when Jackson refused to finance Chandler’s trilogy of film projects. Although Jackson eventually settled that case out of court, the civil settlement did not preclude a criminal trial. Rather, two Grand Jury hearings failed to bring an indictment. However, because Jackson did settle the case, opening the door for financial gain to be made at his expense, a cottage industry of accusing Michael Jackson was thus born. Every accusation made since then, including those of Robson and Safechuck, has come down to an issue of money. It is, after all, easy to make up a convincing story, and in the case of Michael Jackson, all they had to do is study the details and patterns of previous stories. A little known fact is that Janet Arvizo consulted the same attorney who had represented the Chandlers (a pattern that has continued, with both Robson and Safechuck represented by the law firm Manly, Stewart & Finaldi ). Many of these shadesters were convinced that the best case scenario was that they might hit a financial windfall on a par with the Chandlers. But at the very least, even when they knew their bogus stories would never hold up in a court of law, they could always count on the tabloids, some of whom were known to shell out as much as six figures for any potential dirt on Michael Jackson. The 2005 case against Jackson was, in reality, an absolute travesty of justice that should never have gone to trial, another case of a family that took advantage of his generosity and then tried to “get back” when the friendship soured. However, if there was at least one positive aspect that came from it, it was the fact that this also served as the trial by jury that Jackson did not receive back in 1993. Tom Sneddon, in his gloating determination to “get” Jackson at all costs, actually reversed then current California laws against bringing in prior allegations. This meant that questions, evidence and witnesses from the 1993 case could also be introduced.

Jackson, in essence, was not only exonerated from the claims that the Arvizo family made against him, but those of the Chandlers as well. It seemed in theory, at least, that he had finally gotten the chance to fight those accusations in court just as he had initially wanted to back in ’93.

Dan Reed’s film only scratches the surface of the Chandler and Arvizo allegations, which may be understandable from a narrative standpoint if his focus is on the stories of the Robson and Safechuck families, but seems nevertheless a puzzling omission for a film whose entire context comes out of these two past sets of allegations.

What is more damning, however, is the fact that his film also only scratches the surface of the two more current claims that it is purporting to be about. The film presents only the subjects themselves telling their alleged side and their alleged stories of abuse, while purposely choosing to omit any counter narratives or rebuttal testimonies. In the Q&A that followed the film’s premier at Sundance, Dan Reed appeared to dodge this very specific question when asked.
Given the very serious nature of the allegations being waged in this film, to purposely omit any kind of rebuttal testimony (especially on behalf of a deceased individual) is beyond unethical.

While Dan Reed, HBO, and Channel 4 have continued to hide behind the mantra of the oft-repeated“let the viewer make up their mind” the film itself offers no such opportunity.
Furthermore, the film seems to purposely omit details that would obviously raise questions in the viewer’s minds regarding Robson’s motives. For example, why did Robson continue to defend Jackson and to speak glowingly of his friendship with him right up until 2013, when he was denied the chance to direct the Michael Jackson Cirque du Soleil show?

Why did he lie, claiming under oath he had no knowledge of the Jackson estate in 2013 when, in fact, it is on record that he met with John Branca to discuss the Cirque gig in 2011? Why do they claim that Robson’s and Safechuck’s stories are completely independent of each other, when the reality is that both have been represented by the same attorneys since 2014? Why is Safechuck allowed to blatantly lie in the film about Jackson contacting him to defend him in 2005, when attorneys involved in the case have specifically stated that the decision was made that Safechuck’s testimony would not be needed, and that Jackson would not have been allowed to personally contact potential witnesses?

Why did early press releases attempt to hide the identities of the two men in question, even though Jackson’s family, the Estate, and fans who had followed this developing story for seven years had absolutely no doubt who the two men in question were? The obvious answer was a well-planned strategy to “blind side” by preventing these entities (particularly Jackson’s family and Estate) from having time to prepare an adequate response or counter strategy.

When the first letter from the Estate to HBO went unheeded, the Estate followed through on its threat and filed a one hundred million-dollar lawsuit against HBO. In that letter, there was mention of a man named Victor Gutierrez who has long been associated with Jackson’s name and has long been suspected as a “source” for the allegations made against Michael Jackson. The story goes that Gutierrez, a Chilean reporter who came to Hollywood in the mid 1980’s envisioning himself as an investigative reporter, infiltrated a number of NAMBLA meetings (and even gained membership). It was reportedly at these clandestine meetings that Gutierrez heard whispers about certain celebrities suspected of being “in the closet” pedophiles. The alleged goal of NAMBLA was to “out” these celebrities in a desperate attempt to “normalize” their cause. But there was an issue, since often these names were circulated about with no concrete proof. Rumors and innuendoes were enough. Michael Jackson was one such name that popped up, largely because at the time Jackson was cultivating his “Kid Power” image. Those within NAMBLA’s ranks who were responsible for starting and spreading those rumors failed to take into account that “Kid Power” was part of a two-fold PR plan for Jackson, 1: Because he truly and genuinely believed in the ability of children to heal the world, and 2: As someone who himself had been scarred by childhood stardom, he sought to “give back” by empowering and serving as a positive role model for children in the industry, as noted by his long-time friend and supporter Corey Feldman.
Those who speak glibly of Michael Jackson’s “obsession” with children fail to note the very fundamental, root causes of that seeming obsession, which seemed to spring deeply from his own pain and an innate desire to protect children from being exploited in the entertainment industry by the same evil forces that had exploited him. This, and nothing more, appeared to be the source of those rumors. But of all the names mentioned, Gutierrez apparently only took one under his belt to investigate further — Michael Jackson.

It is known fact that Gutierrez actually knew and consulted with Evan Chandler, at just about the same time that Chandler was growing disgruntled with Jackson’s lack of “cooperation” in funding his projects and had grown increasingly jealous of Jackson’s relationship with his ex-wife June, son Jordan, and daughter Lily.
There has also been a long suspected link between Victor Gutierrez and Rodney Allen, a Canadian man who was eventually busted for running an underage male prostitution ring in Toronto, and who was caught actually coaching his boys how to make up convincing lies about being molested by Michael Jackson. His scheme was revealed when he wrote a series of letters to Diane Dimond at Hard Copy, signed from the boy, and the follow-up investigation led to the boy confessing everything.

This story is important, as it reveals the lengths that individuals would go to in order to make up stories about Jackson where no story existed. This is, in essence, exactly how the cottage industry of making up stories about being abused by Michael Jackson has continued to thrive. Backed with this kind of knowledge, one can hardly blame his fans for speaking out against what is perceived as an obvious vendetta, or for being skeptical when such new “claims” arise.

In 1995, the same year that Hard Copy unveiled the scam in Toronto, Victor Gutierrez struck again, this time appearing on Hard Copy himself to claim he knew of the existence of a video tape that allegedly showed Jackson abusing one of his own nephews. However, when pressed, he was forced to reveal that he had no such tape in his possession. This did not stop Diane Dimond, however, from going on KABC-AM radio talk show to promote the tape, even though she had never actually seen any such tape and only had Gutierrez’s word that it existed.

Jermaine Jackson’s ex-wife Margaret Maldonado recalled getting a phone call about the alleged tape in her book Jackson Family Values:

” I received a telephone call from a writer named Ruth Robinson. I had known Ruth for quite a while and respected her integrity. It made what she had to tell me all the more difficult to hear. “I wanted to warn you, Margaret,” she said. “There’s a story going around that there is a videotape of Michael molesting one of your sons, and that you have the tape.”If anyone else had said those words, I would have hung up the phone. Given the long relationship I had with Ruth, however, I gave her the courtesy of a response. I told her that it wasn’t true, of course, and that I wanted the story stopped in its tracks.She had been in contact with someone who worked at the National Enquirer who had alerted her that a story was being written for that paper. Ruth cross-connected me with the woman, and I vehemently denied the story. Moreover, I told her that if the story ran, I would own the National Enquirer before the lawsuits I brought were finished. To its credit, the National Enquirer never ran the piece.”Hard Copy,” however, decided it would. “Hard Copy” correspondent Diane Dimond had reported that authorities were reopening the child molestation case against Michael. She had also made the allegations on L.A. radio station KABC-AM on a morning talk show hosted by Roger Barkley and Ken Minyard. Dimond’s claims were based on the word of a freelance writer named Victor Gutierrez. The story was an outrageous lie. Not one part of it was true. I’d never met the man. There was no tape. Michael never paid me for my silence. He had never molested Jeremy. Period.”-Margaret Maldonado, Jackson Family Values

But Victor Gutierrez’s obsession with Michael Jackson didn’t end there. In 1997, he authored a book that he claimed came from a secret diary kept by Jordan Chandler. The only problem is that no such diary ever existed! The entire book was ghost written by Gutierrez, in language that was not only suspiciously adult, but also graphically (and disturbingly) erotic, even down to its title (not Michael Jackson Was My Abuser, note, but Michael Jackson Was My Lover).
Many readers were quick to note that the book read suspiciously like nothing more than child porn erotica. It was, as it turned out, little more than a piece of NAMBLA propaganda, written with the intent of promoting man/boy love, with the added spice of throwing in the name Michael Jackson. What was even more disturbing was the fact that Gutierrez and the boy’s father, Evan Chandler, obviously collaborated on the project, as evidenced by this very crude drawing from the book in which Chandler and Gutierrez were attempting to come to some sort of mutual consensus on the appearance of Jackson’s genitalia (important to note here that, according to Ray Chandler’s book All That Glitters, Evan Chandler, a practicing dentist to the stars, had once administered to Jackson a shot of Toradol in the gluteus). Also worth noting is that these notes from Gutierrez and Chandler are speculating that Jackson was circumcised, when in fact his autopsy report revealed he was not.
n 1998, Michael Jackson brought a defamation lawsuit against Gutierrez, Diane Dimond, Hard Copy and KABC-AM. Of the $100,000,000 million he sought in damages, the court awarded $2.7 million to be paid to him directly by Victor Gutierrez. However, Gutierrez fled the country and returned to Chile, thus evading the ruling. Jackson never saw a penny of that 2.7 million.

According to the website MichaelJacksonAllegations.com, “ Many of the witnesses who testified for the prosecution at Jackson’s 2005 trial, and on whom the prosecution’s “prior bad acts” case was mostly built, were people who had contact with Victor Gutierrez prior to selling their stories to the tabloids for money…” and “ Former security guard, Ralph Chacon testified he and other ex-employees of Jackson (whom the media often called the “Neverland 5”) spoke to Gutierrez before they went to sell their story to The Star magazine [14]. Former security guard, Kassim Abdool testified that he met Gutierrez once and they had a two, three hours conversation [15]. Former maid, Adrian McManus testified that Gutierrez “was going to try to help us in our lawsuit” (not surprisingly, this includes some of the same cast of characters who have come out of the proverbial woodwork to make the rounds of tabloid interviews and TV talk shows since Leaving Neverland premiered. Adrian McManus, a former employee who had been fired for stealing from Jackson, was featured on a recent 60 Minutes Australia broadcast).

Victor Gutierrez’s role in the current movie, Leaving Neverland, cannot be underestimated, especially since it appears suspiciously that many of the claims being made by Robson and Safechuck-but especially Safechuck-originated in the book Michael Jackson Was My Lover, particularly the very specific claims of a wedding, the gifting of jewelry, alleged jealousy of specifically named female rivals,and other fabrications that were very specific to the narrative Gutierrez invented.

I could go on in this vein, indefinitely, but the truth is that getting into a detailed account of every hole in Robson’s and Safechuck’s stories would be far beyond the scope of a single article. But equally revealing is when the Robson and Safechuck family members complain in the film about all that Jackson apparently didn’t do for them. While it is true that Wade Robson won a dance competition that enabled him to meet his idol Michael Jackson, and that Jackson invited him to dance onstage during the Bad tour, the narrative starts to get a lot murkier after that. The truth is that it was Joy Robson who relentlessly pursued Jackson afterwards. Michael Jackson did not, in fact, “owe” anything to the Robson family after he left Australia in 1987, and what he did benefit to them was given out of generosity. He certainly did not “owe” it to the Robson family to give Wade a role in one of his music videos, let alone to roll out all of the perks of creature comforts. Yet, according to a source who saw the film at Sundance, Joy Robson complains bitterly in the film of having to rent a vehicle to take her son to the video shoot, and of having to live in a dumpy apartment. So here we have the families vilifying Jackson for all he “didn’t” do for them, and yet every gesture he did bestow upon them to show kindness or thoughtfulness is intentionally construed in the film as evidence of “grooming,” even down to a birthday message Jackson evidently taped for Wade because he was obviously too busy to be there to tell him in person. It becomes abundantly clear, less than an hour into this four-plus hour opus of a film, that these two families are determinedly painting Jackson into an inescapable corner of “damned if he did; damned if he didn’t.”
Indeed, the Robson family’s sense of entitlement at Jackson’s expense can be seen all the way up through Jackson’s death and beyond, from Wade’s emails tearfully begging that the Jacksons — even in the midst of their grief — accommodate Wade and his family to attend the memorial, to his revealing in a deposition that he was “hurt” he wasn’t invited to the private memorial service, and to his inflated sense of entitlement that he alone was the best candidate to direct the Jackson themed Cirque du Soleil show as late as 2012.
Less than 24 hours after Jackson was pronounced dead Robson was even pitching the producer of the show So You Think You Can Dance on a tribute that he alone was best qualified to do.

More recently, another detail from the film has been called into question. One of the final segments of the film allegedly shows Robson burning all of the items gifted to him by Jackson, including many highly prized and valuable costume items worn by the icon in his music videos. They include such items as Jackson’s iconic Thriller jacket, a sequined glove, his Smooth Criminal fedora, and other items. But, again, Michael Jackson fans have long memories, and some were quick to point out that Robson had actually sold many of these identical items at auction several years ago. Sure enough, Julien’s Auctions confirmed in a tweet that they had bought these items directly from Robson and had paid him. “He needed the money,” the tweet confirms. In an even more damning follow-up tweet, Julien’s Auctions confirmed that Robson had attempted to sell the items under cover of anonymity but that “we wouldn’t allow it.”

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Wade consigned his collection to us directly. He was the person who we paid when we sold his collection. He needed the money.
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Wade asked to remain anonymous and said that he did not want anyone to know that it was him selling it the items in 2011. But we did not agree to that and listed it as the Wade Robson collection. He consigned multiple items and wanted us to sell all items of his that had value.
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We can’t provide a list, but we were told that it was all of the items that Wade had that were gifted from Michael Jackson.

Some have argued that this reveal appears to be direct proof that the entire scene was staged, with Robson apparently burning “fakes” he must have purchased for the express purpose of filming this scene. At the very least, it further calls into question whether Robson is a true victim — or an opportunist. especially considering that his consignment deal with Julien’s Auctions would have netted him several thousand dollars at a time when he was still pretending to the world to be a loyal and grieving friend.

Perhaps even more revealing was a series of tweets from Brandi Jackson, daughter of Jackie Jackson, who revealed that she’d had a 7-year-relationship with Robson. This was an important disclosure on several fronts, since it both: A: Revealed that the timeline he had given for his abuse did not add up, and B: Proved as false his claim that Jackson had taught him to hate women (in fact, turns out it was Jackson who had set Robson up with Brandi).
The bigger concern is that the media is well aware that the stories of these men do not add up. Yet, it seems, instead of raising the tough and critical questions we should be asking, most are content to ride on the cult of “victimhood,” blindly enabling any con artist who wishes to bring an accusation (ironically, this includes many of the same journalists who mocked Wade Robson early on as someone whose story seemed both coldly calculated and oddly opportunistic). Instead of asking these necessary questions, the media has instead shamelessly used this propaganda piece as an excuse to wage a trial by social media against Jackson.

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Janet Johnson‏ @janetecurry
I kept an open mind. Without prejudice either way. And I’m sorry, but I just don’t believe Wade & James. U don’t want to think someone could make this stuff up but I believe they did & reading social media comments, I’m not alone!







Keya Morgan‏ @KeyaMorgan
O Danny boy, @danreed1000 did the cat get your tongue? Thousands of people challenged you yesterday to stop hiding & face the truth. Are you hiding again? What a coward.







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Interesting to see so many journalists on here accept everything in #LeavingNeverland is true, without applying any questioning eye.
The 2 accusers have changed their story multiple times & are suing Jackson’s estate for 100s of millions. At least be challenging, surely?
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Hazel Johnson‏ @HazelJ0816
Is full of shit I'm sorry but if that did happen to you. U then wouldn't say on telly that ur devastated that micheal wasnt in the same bed as him . Yea ok don't believe u and i ain't a micheal jackson fan





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Dynamite to show to the haters or even the sheep who blindly believe anything spoon fed to them in a tv show.
From Charles Thomson:

FACT-BOMB: The evidence the media refuses to show you about Michael Jackson’s accusers

I’ve felt total and utter shame at my industry as the coverage of tonight’s Michael Jackson TV show has grown increasingly dishonest and dangerous. I’ve worked in the media since I was a teenager. The whole media knows these two men are liars. But that’s not good for clicks or ratings.

For five years, these men – both professional actors – have been suing Michael Jackson’s estate for hundreds of millions of dollars. This lawsuit has generated thousands of pages of court records: witness statements, motions, depositions and disclosure. These public documents PROVE beyond any reasonable doubt that the men are lying. The whole media knows about these documents, but is refusing to report on their contents. I’ve tried not to fill my Facebook feed with posts about this, but you are all being lied to from every direction. So this is my contribution to the debate on Facebook – a list of just some of the public record information the media is refusing to tell you.

•Both men strenuously defended Jackson, including under oath, for decades, and only decided they’d been molested years after his death, when they were both in financial trouble and filed a lawsuit seeking hundreds of millions of dollars. That lawsuit was thrown out of court – twice – but the men are in the middle of an appeal, giving them a gigantic financial motive to lie.


•Since filing their lawsuit, both men have repeatedly changed their stories, frequently telling directly contradictory versions of the same supposed events. For example, Wade Robson has told at least four directly contradictory stories about the first time Jackson supposedly abused him.


•In the lawsuit, Robson was caught lying under oath so brazenly that the judge threw out his entire witness statement and said no rational juror could ever believe his account.


•Between 2012 and 2014, Robson wrote two drafts of an abuse memoir and tried unsuccessfully to sell them to publishers. Meanwhile, he lied under oath and said he’d never discussed his allegations with anyone except his lawyers. When the Jackson estate discovered he’d actually been shopping books, the court ordered him to produce the drafts as evidence. They revealed the story of his abuse had changed significantly from one draft to the next.


•Robson was also ordered to release his emails as evidence. He breached the order repeatedly, first by claiming they didn’t exist, then by simply refusing to hand them over. Then he redacted all the emails between himself and his family members and cited ‘attorney-client’ privilege, even though none of his family are attorneys.


•When he eventually complied with the court order and released the emails, they revealed that at the time he was constructing his lawsuit and abuse memoir, he was researching and emailing himself links to old tabloid newspaper stories about abuse allegations against Michael Jackson.


•The emails showed Robson found one particular story from the early 1990s which specifically named he and his mother. He emailed it to his mother and asked whether it was true. She replied, ‘Wow, none of that is true’. He then included it in his story anyway.


•Emails also revealed that throughout 2011/12, Robson was lobbying Jackson’s estate for a job directing and choreographing an official Michael Jackson tribute show in Las Vegas. His campaign to secure this role had included sending emails explaining that his amazing friendship with Jackson meant nobody was better qualified for the role than he was, and he was devoted to doing the best job he possibly could ‘for Michael’. After being told someone else had got the job, he suddenly claimed he’d been abused and filed a creditor’s claim against the estate for millions of dollars.


•Months later, according to Jimmy Safechuck, he flipped on the TV and saw Wade Robson being interviewed about his lawsuit. In that moment, Safechuck suddenly remembered that he had been abused by Jackson as well, so decided to join the lawsuit. He didn’t mention that this epiphany coincided exactly with his inheritance circling the drain after a relative died and the surviving siblings started suing each other – including him – for control of the family business.


•Robson was also ordered to produce his diaries as evidence. In them, he’d written about how these allegations might rescue his failing career by making him ‘relatable and relevant’. He also wrote, ‘It’s time for me to get mine.’ When questioned under oath about what he’d meant when he wrote that, he refused to answer.


•Both men tell stories in the TV show which directly contradict stories told under oath in their lawsuit. In fact, they have continued to change their stories as recently as within the last week.


•For example, Jimmy Safechuck claims under oath in the lawsuit that he only remembered Jackson had abused him in 2013 when he turned on the TV and saw Robson. Yet in tonight’s TV show and interviews promoting it, he claims he knew he’d been abused in 2005 and thus, when asked to testify for Jackson’s defence ‘towards the end of the trial’, he refused to do so.


•But that’s a provable lie. Safechuck was never asked to testify for Jackson’s defence. The judge ruled long before the trial began that testimony could only be heard about certain children, and Safechuck was not one of them. All testimony about Safechuck was literally banned from the courtroom. So Jackson’s defence cannot have asked him to testify – and certainly not after the trial was already underway.


•Robson claimed in a BBC interview last week that Jackson had abused him ‘hundreds of times’. Yet his mother’s sworn testimony is that they went to Neverland roughly 14 times but Jackson was almost never there. She estimates the number of times they visited the ranch and he was actually there was four.


•Questioned about their financial motive, the men now say they don’t care about money and are only suing to embolden other abuse victims by holding the Jackson estate accountable. This is a provable lie. The lawsuit was originally filed under seal and Robson tried to extract a settlement from the estate with zero publicity. Only when the estate refused to pay a bean did he go public.


I could continue, but if you’re still on board with the TV show and its accusers at this point, you are irrational to the point of mania.

Tonight’s TV show covers up all of this information, instead presenting two professional actors’ heavily edited and completely unchallenged testimony without ever examining their credibility, their proven lies and perjury, their constantly changing stories or their financial motives.

It is a stain on the journalistic profession, as has been the rest of the media’s coverage

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It’s very strange how the Universe works; I mean, I’ve been avoiding at all costs to speak on this Michael Jackson documentary, I had turned Facebook off in January, I wanted to avoid all of the commentary on this topic. It’s something that I have been listening to since 1993, after a while you just get drained with the whole thing. But, like most of you who know me, Michael Jackson was a very important figure in my life, he has been since before I could learn how to walk and say my first words, so I felt it was time to say something.

This morning while preparing to walk out the door to head to class, I stumbled upon this court pass from May 5, 2005. At that time Michael was on trial, and I was able to get in a handful of times and listen to some of the testimony. On that particular day was the testimony of Wade Robson, one of the men who is now speaking out against MJ and alleging sexual abuse in this recent film “Leaving Neverland.” I was sitting in the third row of the courtroom, right next to Maureen Orth, of Vanity Fair, and behind Jermaine Jackson, Michaels older brother.

This guy for several hours was under very aggressive direct and cross examination from
Both Michaels defense attorney and the prosecution. He was asked very specific questions about his moments with Michael, which in his recent film made it seem like they were inseparable and Michael was obsessed with him, and in the trial he spoke of the opposite.

Now I am paraphrasing what I learned from his testimony as well as his mother’s testimony (that I witnessed a day later) , and I’m not speaking as if im a fly on the wall during the course of his life and friendship with Michael.

During the time he was introduced to him, Michael was in the middle of his first world tour in the late 80s, they had kept some form of contact, but there was no close friendship that came about upon first meeting each other. Michaels tour had finished almost two years later, and he started to prepare for a new album and world tour that would follow. Michael made no contact with this man and his family, it was the boys mother who persistently sent letters, photos, and videos of her son to Michael in order to establish some sort of contact with him.

A few years later, during the recording of Michaels Dangerous album, Michael would eventually help sponsor this man and his family to move to America from Australia, so that he could he help him jumpstart his professional career in music and dance. Michael was in the process of establishing his own record label venture under Sony music, which Wade would later become one of the first artists signed to the label. How did this happen?

Wades mother, Joy Robson, testified that she left everything behind in Australia to bring Wade to Los Angeles to help push his career in show business. Wade was no older than 9 or 10 years old at the time , and through the help of Michael’s representatives, she was pushing for Michael to include Wade in some of Michaels own personal projects from his music videos as well as stage performances. The boys family had no consistent communication with MJ since they first met in Australia a few years prior, but her persistence would eventually lead to another meeting with Michael after she immigrated to the states.

She portrayed herself on the stand to be very adamant about jump starting Wades career, and By her own personal requests, Michael would help furnish and pay for their housing, food, transportation, and additional living expenses. These were not all gestures that Michael just volunteered on his own, they were requests made by Joy Robson through Michaels reps, and she also testified to this in court.

Now, make a long story short, the sexual allegations that are coming out now are very confusing to me. What I stated earlier about the questioning this man has gone under, was very specific questioning. Anyone who has experienced sitting on a trial, there are specific questions that have to be asked in order to be admitted as evidence and testimony to be ruled for a verdict. He was asked if he was ever innappropriately touched, kissed, fondled, had he ever seen Michael nude, had he ever watched pornographic materials with Michael etc This man ten years after Michaels death, comes out and says in a documentary that he never knew that he was molested and he didn’t know that the things Michael were doing to him is the biggest crock of horse shit that could ever be revealed to man.

At the time of his testimony, he was in his mid-20s, engaged to be married, and still making a good living as a choreographer. (A career that was also jump-started by the man he alleges abused him). A year prior to Wade bringing out these accusations, he was making proposals with Michael Jackson’s estate to become the director/choreographer for the Michael Jackson Cirque Du Soleil project and he was turned down by Michaels estate. A year later, he comes out with accusations of abuse?

I really want to speak on the aftermath of this documentary. It is very common in today’s society to have this knee jerk reaction to everything that happens. We are so quick to come to judgment and crucify someone without knowing all of the information. Michael Jackson’s life has been on trial for most of his life, not just starting in 1993 when accusations were brought against him, but most of his career. He was arrested, he was charged, he went through the court process like everyone else. He was under investigation by the FBI for over a decade, the district attorneys office in both Santa Barbara and Los Angeles county used millions of dollars in resources, investigating alleged victims from children he came in contact with not only in America, but in other parts of the world. He was acquitted by a jury of his peers in a court system where almost everyone in that courtroom
Have admitted in the aftermath that they all at one point thought of him to be guilty of the crime, and the evidence and testimony presented in that process proved that he was not.







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He also said he only testified on behalf of my uncle’s defense because of my cousins and he felt bad for them. Why would you have to force yourself to defend him in 2005 if you didn’t realize anything was wrong until 2013?






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This video makes nuanced but interesting point about #LeavingNeverland It sure feels like director @danreed1000 has a strange soft spot for man-child “love-making,” which amazingly the media has ignored
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Emmy Award winning journalist @Zigmanfreud is absolutely correct about this. I personally think @danreed1000 has some sick pedophile fantasy and he's projecting it onto my friend Michael Jackson. Dan, go see a doctor. PS-stop hiding from knowledgeable journalists.

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NEW VIDEO! LeavingNeverland and its magic tricks! Discover how easy it is to debunk the most blatant lies in the "film" (and these are just a few of the major ones)! WATCH, SHARE, SUBSCRIBE!
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Why does Wade not mention that he sought to get married at Neverland during MJ’s trial in 2005? Did Michael force him to want that?
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That don't add up. He says he lied in 2005 meaning he knew it was wrong and his mom said she rejoiced when you uncle passed in 2009 but Wade then says he didn't know he was abused until 2013. That don't add up at all. I thought I was bad at math but Wade proved me wrong.





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If you talk bad to me about Michael Jackson I’ll literally punch you in your face. I’m just letting wade and this other kid talk I do have something to say though





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T.I. Calls 'Leaving Neverland' Allegations Against Michael Jackson 'Assaults Against Our Culture'
3/7/2019 by Michael Saponara

The harrowing Leaving Neverland documentary which details Michael Jackson's alleged serial sexual abuse against Wade Robson and James Safechuck as children has taken a toll on Jackson's future musical legacy since the two-part HBO film's graphic conclusion on Monday. T.I. took to Instagram to speak out and defend Jackson on Wednesday, calling for other alleged pedophiles in Hollywood to be equally spotlighted.

Tip shared a clip from a 1999 MJ interview with Piers Morgan, where he denies ever abusing children and having to deal with unfair press. "I would slit my wrists before I would [abuse a child]. I would never ever. If it wasn't for children, I would throw in the towel. I would kill myself," Jackson claims. "I wouldn't care to live. They give me my inspiration. They try to use it against me. It's been so unfair and I'm very upset about it."

In the Instagram caption, the Paper Trail rapper wrote, "Let this man speak for himself to defend his legacy. Don’t just listen to one side and expect to find truth. Oh that’s right...Dead men can’t speak. So what was the point again? Destroy another strong black historical LEGEND?!?!"

T.I. then points the finger at Elvis Presley and Hugh Hefner's alleged pedophilia. "It’s several examples of pedophilia in American History if y’all pulling up all our old shit we gotta examine ELVIS PRESLEY, HUGH HEPHNER [sic],and a whole slew of others guilty of the same if not more!!! BUT WHY US all the time? There’s an agenda to destroy OUR CULTURE," Tip concluded.









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Can @piersmorgan pls interview Robson/Safechuck? Maybe he can untangle convoluted epiphanies in #LeavingNeverland? Robson didn't want to hurt Michael in 2005, felt sorry for children. Safechuck told mother so she could dance in 2009. But both didn't realize until 2012, 2013?







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NEW: Former nanny for Michael Jackson's children defends him against new sex abuse allegations in "Leaving Neverland." https://abcn.ws/2EGKQu4







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So let's get this straight Michael Jackson courted Lisa Marie Presley from 1993 got married in 96 was married for 18 mts then he married Debbie Rowe had 2 kids and all the while shagged Robson 100 times every night. All before 2000. They all were at Neverland!





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Absolutely! My uncle was the greatest person I knew. Bar NONE! His generosity and heart was Ghandi/Mother Theresa level. No joke. They spun that as grooming in this Me Too movement and that was wrong. These families CHASED HIM hard and not the other way.






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"There is no way in hell that Tom Mesereau or Michael Jackson is going to put Wade Robson on the stand first in his criminal trial if he's abused him for 7 years! His testimony is only 1 of 1000 data points that continue well after trial and well after MJ's death!"

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Apologies again - this is from a news source in the UK - they are absolutely brutal and take no account of the opposite side.

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Obsession hidden in plain sight: Michael Jackson is accused of being a predatory paedophile... but what’s almost as shocking is how he paraded his 'friendships' with young boys while their parents, music execs and millions of fans did nothing
•Leaving Neverland shows how Jackson always had a young male companion
•He would often hold hands with young boys in plain sight
•James Safechuck and Wade Robson have accused the singer of sexual abuse

By Alison Boshoff for the Daily Mail

Published: 23:11 GMT, 7 March 2019 |
Leaving Neverland, shown on Channel 4 over two nights, has delivered many shocking revelations about Michael Jackson’s grooming and alleged sexual abuse of two young fans who idolised him, and were terribly betrayed.

But one of the most shocking elements of the documentary has been the fact that the singer was going about his business in plain sight.

Time and again we saw Jackson surrounded by grown-ups in the company of both of his accusers, Wade Robson and James Safechuck. He was seen hopping out of limos, or going into hotels or onto private planes closely followed by a pre-pubescent boy — generally dressed identically to him.

Sometimes, he was holding hands with the child, at other times putting his arm around the boys’ shoulders. Both Robson and Safechuck were also brought out on stage by Jackson during his tours.

He could hardly have made his infatuation with them more public.

Safechuck met Jackson in 1987 when he was ten and was picked to appear with the singer in a Pepsi commercial. Jackson invited him along on the Bad tour with him the following year and they shared a hotel room while his parents slept down the hall. Safechuck says that he was being abused by the singer, and that it happened more than 100 times, often at Neverland.

Meanwhile, Australian dancer Wade Robson met Jackson in 1987 when he was five years old after he won a dance competition when the singer was touring Australia.

Jackson invited the youngster to join him on stage. Two years later, when the family were on holiday in America, they got in touch with Jackson and he invited them to spend time at Neverland.

Robson’s mother, father and sister went on a road trip to the Grand Canyon and at Jackson’s request Robson stayed in Neverland with Jackson, when, he says, the sexual abuse began. He was seven years old.

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Yet the parents of these boys — who were rewarded with gifts of gold watches, cars, loans of money and even a home — did not see the alleged abuse.

As Safechuck’s mother Stephanie said: ‘For him to want to be our friend, we’re like, oh my God, how lucky are we? He flies you first class, he has a limo waiting at the airport, amazing! It’s a life of the rich and famous.’

Globally famous, Michael Jackson had no chance of coming or going unnoticed, of course.

But he made no effort to travel separately to ‘his boys’ — and Robson and Safechuck were not the only two.

As these pictures show, boys were taken around the world by Jackson, who was seen treating them to ‘anything you want’ shopping sprees in toy shops and theme parks.

Of course, some of those boys defend him still, and say nothing untoward ever happened.
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But still the association was so brazen that it played into the ‘Wacko Jacko’ narrative.

Parents were told, not least by the singer himself, that he was at heart just a 12-year-old boy who loved cartoons and other children.

If they were capable of believing this then they could accept their boys being asked to ‘sleep over’ with the star in presidential suites in the best hotels around the world, while they were placed in a room at the other end of the residence, and still maintain a belief that whatever was going on was entirely innocent. At least five pre-pubescent boys were chosen to join Jackson on tour over a nine-year period.

But what, you may ask, of all of the adults — including those at his record label — who didn’t trouble to ask what exactly was going on? So far, there is only silence from Sony, his record label.

You also wonder if we will ever hear from the lawyers, who Wade Robson and James Safechuck said last night ran them through pretend questioning on the subject of what went on in the sleepovers, in order to protect Jackson. Jackson himself, we should remember, reacted with hysteria to the suggestion of paedophilia, as did his fans. He insisted on his ‘complete innocence’ and called the allegations ‘incredible, terrible’.
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Jackson was, though, surely inviting disaster by associating closely and repeatedly with young male fans. One of these was Brett Barnes, who was seen coming through Heathrow with the singer in 1992 and hanging out with him in Euro Disney in 1993.

It was reported that he was Jackson’s ‘cousin’ although they are not related.

A Jackson fan, he had contacted him by letter and started spending time at Neverland when he was nine.

Barnes admitted that they shared a bed but said that they took separate sides. ‘It’s this big bed . . . and I was on one side and he was on the other,’ he said. He added: ‘He kissed you like you kiss your mother. It’s not unusual for him to hug, kiss and nuzzle up to you and stuff.’

At around this time Jackson also met Jordy Chandler — another young fan who looked and dressed like him, but this time the association ended in disaster.

Chandler’s step-father ran a car rental agency and met Jacko after he broke down on a highway in LA in 1992. He got his wife to bring Jordy — a huge fan — to meet the star and they exchanged phone numbers. The family, including Jordan’s sister, were eventually invited to come and stay at Neverland.
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In May 1993, Jackson took Jordy and his mother to Monaco for the World Music Awards and the two of them shared a room. June Chandler was given a diamond bracelet by the singer.

In September 1993 Chandler’s parents sued Jackson for ‘repeatedly committing sexual battery on their son’.

Jackson was traumatised. When the first complaints about him were made public, he proposed marriage to friend Lisa Marie Presley after a series of phone calls in which, she later said, he seemed ‘high, incoherent and delusional’.

After legal wrangling, he settled the case with Jordy out of court in 1994. A reported £11.4 million went into trust for Jordy, £1.1 million to each of his parents and £3.8 million to the lawyers. His legal team said that it was ‘in no way an admission of guilt’.
Jordy refused to cooperate with a police investigation, and it was dropped. The director of Leaving Neverland, Dan Reed, said: ‘Jordan’s not easily accessible. We did a bit of sleuthing to try and find him but decided to not push that any further as he appears to want to stay hidden, for now.’ You might assume that after the scandal Jackson would have dropped his habit of taking young male fans on tour with him, but you would be wrong.

One young fan Michael Jacobshagen says that he spent three weeks with Jackson on tour in 1997 and more time in 1998, mostly in his hotel room.

Jacobshagen, now 35, says that Jackson called him his ‘Rubba Rubba boy’ and would grind his body against him.

He says that the singer gave him a book containing pictures of naked young men and inscribed it to his ‘special friend’ and ‘rubba rubba friend’.

He believes that the singer was testing him and seeing how far he could go. Jacobshagen adds that Jackson bought his mother a Cartier watch.
Another association was struck up with Omer Bhatti, a Norwegian dance fan, who met Jackson at a hotel in Tunis while the singer was on the HIStory tour in 1996.

Jackson was so taken with the boy — who was 11 years old at the time — that Bhatti joined him for the rest of the tour, coming on stage with Jackson and travelling with him. The friendship grew so deep that Omer joined Jackson in Neverland full-time. In 1997, Omer’s mother Pia and father Riz were given jobs by Jackson, as nanny and driver respectively.

Omer started going by the name Michael Joseph Winter and was raised as ‘one of his family’ alongside son Prince, born in 1997, daughter Paris born in 1998, both to nurse Debbie Rowe, and son Blanket born in 2002 to a surrogate.

Rowe never lived at Neverland, but Omer did. Indeed, he was one of the Jackson associates who were at home in Neverland in 2003 when it was raided by police.

The raid was sparked after Jackson boasted in a Martin Bashir documentary that he regularly had sleepovers with children, including cancer sufferer Gavin Arvizo, a fan.

Jackson said: ‘It’s not sexual. We’re going to sleep. I tuck them in. It’s very charming.’

Police found a collection of pornographic material at the property which included books and videos. Jackson was arrested and charged with committing lewd and lascivious acts with a child under the age of 14.
During Jackson’s trial, Arvizo and his younger brother testified that the singer showed them pornography and made them drink ‘Jesus juice’ — wine. Both said Jackson masturbated in front of them and molested Arvizo on multiple occasions.

In footage screened as part of Leaving Neverland, he said: ‘He showed me, he wanted to show me how to masturbate.

Then I said no and he said he would do it for me.’ (At the trial Brett Barnes, who toured with Jackson as a child, testified that the singer had ‘absolutely not’ molested him. Asked if Jackson had ever touched him in a sexual way, he said: ‘Never. I wouldn’t stand for it.’)

Jackson was found not guilty of all charges on June 13, 2005.
He then went into an extended period of travelling with his children, their nanny — and Omer Bhatti, now a teenager. Although Bhatti’s parents returned to Norway he went with Jackson to Bahrain and Ireland.

In a recent interview with a Norwegian magazine, Bhatti said: ‘Michael was in many ways very innocent. One cannot, of course, expect everyone else to have the same views on things, and he was too naive and was hurt by being too kind. For him, certain things were natural and completely innocent, something not necessarily everyone else would see in the same way.’

He was in the front row of the funeral with Jackson’s family and remains close to the children.
Home Alone star Macaulay Culkin, who struck up a friendship with Michael Jackson when he cast him in the video for Black Or White in 1991, also defended him.

He said during Jackson’s 2005 trial that allegations against the singer were ‘absolutely ridiculous’. He said that between the ages of nine and 14 he slept in Jackson’s bed a dozen or more times but said that nothing inappropriate happened.

In an interview this year he said: ‘At the end of the day, it’s almost easy to try and say it was like weird or whatever, but it wasn’t, because it made sense, we were friends.’

His daughter Paris this week has called the allegations ‘lies’, while his brother Marlon said there was ‘not one piece of evidence’.

But there’s no doubt that the sleepovers, the touring, the jewellery and the dozens of pictures of Jackson with the boys depict a deeply troubling obsession.

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Michael Jackson albums climb the charts in wake of Leaving Neverland documentary and radio ban
Michael Jackson’s music is climbing the charts in the wake of the controversial Leaving Neverland documentary.

The explosive two-parter was broadcast in HBO in the United States and on Channel 4 in the UK this week, and features interviews with Wade Robson and James Safechuck, who have accused the late singer of molesting them as children.

The Jackson family has denied the claims and denounced the film in a series of damning statements, including one which compared the documentary to a “public lynching.”

Despite the allegations made, Jackson’s albums have climbed the iTunes charts since Leaving Neverland was broadcast.
At the time of writing, Jackson’s Number Ones album was sat at number 43, having climbed 44 places in a matter of hours, while greatest hits compilation The Essential Michael Jackson had reached number 79.
His 1987 release Bad ranked at number 147, with 1982’s Thriller sitting at number 172.

Standard Online has contacted representatives for Apple Music for further comment.
Radio stations in Canada, New Zealand, Australia and the Netherlands have removed Jackson’s songs from their playlists following the documentary.

However, stations in the UK have not pulled the singer’s music, with a BBC spokesperson confirming that they do not ban artists.

“We consider each piece of music on its merits and decisions on what we play on different networks are always made with relevant audiences and context in mind,” the spokesperson said.
Global Radio, the broadcaster behind Capital, Heart and LBC, said that they do not comment on editorial decisions.
Meanwhile, Virgin Radio said that Jackson is “not very relevant” to their listeners.

“Virgin Radio may have on occasion played a Michael Jackson track in the past in features, but as an artist he is not especially popular with our listeners and so isn’t a Virgin artist,” a spokesperson said. “So there is no change in policy as he is just not very relevant to Virgin Radio.”

Jackson’s daughter Paris, 21, spoke out yesterday to defend his “good heart,” and shut down reports that she is worried about his reputation being damaged in the wake of Leaving Neverland.
Responding to a fan who suggested that the press “want[ed] to tear [Jackson’s] name down,” she said: “Yeah they do that to everyone with a good heart and tries to make a difference but do you really think it’s possible to tear his name down?

“Like do you truly believe that they stand a chance? Relax and have peace.”
Both accusers testified on Jackson’s behalf when a civil suit was brought against him in 1993 by the family of Jordan Chandler, but have since filed suits against the musician.

Safechuck filed a suit against Jackson in 2013, and Robson did the same in 2014. Both cases were dismissed in 2017.

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Michael Jackson hung out with children because they weren’t greedy & looking to use him (til some grew up at least) Ppl want to make it into something dirty ‘cause that’s all they understand & can’t conceive any other explanation. It’s not MJ’s fault if your head is in the gutter





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Both the Robsons and Safechucks horded all of their communications with MJ for decades. The voice messages, cassette tape recordings, faxes, video messages, memorabilia, alleged phone texts to Wade (that he couldn't bare to ever delete, Opus).
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https://hyperallergic.com/487964/german ... ntroversy/
German Museum Plans to Open Michael Jackson Exhibition Despite Leaving Neverland Controversy


The Bundeskunsthalle in Bonn, Germany says it has no plans to cancel its exhibition on the pop star despite a new documentary investigating Jackson’s alleged history of sexually abusing minors.
Despite newly-publicized allegations that Michael Jackson repeatedly molested children, a blockbuster art exhibition celebrating the singer will continue its world tour.

A spokesperson for the Bundekunsthalle in Bonn, Germany told Hyperallergic over email that the museum has no plans to cancel Michael Jackson: On the Wall, although the institution is closely monitoring discussions surrounding the recently-released HBO documentary, Leaving Neverland.

The exhibition, which examines the musician’s influence on contemporary art, first opened at London’s National Portrait Gallery last summer before traveling to the Grand Palais in Paris. Currently, On the Wall is scheduled to open in Bonn for a four-month run starting on March 22 before heading toward Finland in August. The show contains works by 40 artists including Andy Warhol, David Hammons, Paul McCarthy, Isa Genzken, Kehinde Wiley, and Jordan Wolfson.

While the exhibition was developed by NPG in cooperation with the musician’s estate, the Leaving Neverland documentary released without the Jackson family’s approval. In fact, the pop star’s estate is suing HBO for potentially more than $100 million, in part because the film’s director, Dan Reed, never requested their comment.

When Jackson died in 2009, he had fought against multiple allegations of child sexual abuse for over 15 years. Leaving Neverland details the separate accounts of two men, now in their 30s, who say the celebrity began long-running relationships with them when they were just 7 and 10 years old. The four-hour documentary describes in detail how Jackson allegedly :stop: manipulated those around him to gain access to young boys. Stories within the film include the star’s secret system of bells to warn of approaching adults; a mock wedding ceremony with a child and studded diamond ring; a series of slumber parties that turned into sex; and unaware parents who were ecstatic to be guests at Jackson’s Neverland Ranch.

“The allegations made in the film are shocking,” the museum said in a statement originally written in German, “the lawsuit, however, has not been resolved and since Michael Jackson’s death [these allegations] have been considerably more difficult to prove.”

The exhibition’s curatorial thesis seems tailored to anticipate and avoid confronting the singer’s history of child sexual abuse allegations. Museum organizers have avoided “discussing his biography” in favor of “examining Jackson’s cultural impact,” according to the Bunderkunsthalle’s statement.







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I spent a lot of alone time with MJ and participated in many of the activites the documentary spins as proof of abuse. I've had serious discussions with my siblings and none of us recall being abused by MJ or feeling unsafe or seeing anything of that nature.







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Funny how they never mention Michael was around little girls as well, not to mention the countless women and female fans and friends in his life, where was all that in this fake documentary? Hm? MJ wasn't gay he's 100% straight I refuse to believe otherwise.
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If you walked into a court trial and only heard 4 hrs of the prosecution and had to leave without hearing one word from the defense and decide someone’s fate...of course you would declare guilty! It’s unfair. It’s unethical and it’s dangerous. That’s the movie






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I'm not gonna sit here an argue with dumb minded people who think Michael is guilty when he's innocent because its a waste of my precious time, they wanna believe a mockery documentary full of lies and deception by two psychopathic lairs who fabricate their story multiple times

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TJ Jackson‏Verified account @tjjackson
''When children see Michael Jackson, they see a human being. When adults see him they see money'' - Phil Collins





andjustice4some‏ @andjustice4some
Your yellow journalism is pathetic. Rather than tackling the real issues such as Robson's history of lying in his lawsuit, you deflect to an image of Piers Morgan and the Jacksons. Your day of reckoning is coming, and the reputation you claim is on the line, will plummet.





Raven Woods‏ @emailraven
Fans are starting to notice a trend. A lie gets called out in LN, and next thing you know, that scene has miraculously been cut.





Keya Morgan‏ @KeyaMorgan
Dan @danreed1000 with a sick mind like yours, you should seriously be a porn producer. And you're already have two actors, Wade and James. I bet it would be more believable than that garbage Leaving Neverland. What do you think?








The MJCast‏ @TheMJCast
So @DamienShields & I just wrapped a 2 hour interview with Bill @MJBodyguards’ Whitfield. We went in deep on Bill’s role as Head of Security, Michael the father, Michael the musician, the REAL Michael. Thoroughly enjoyed our chat. It’ll be one of our first Season 5 episodes. J.









Alice‏ @WanderingwithAl
Replying to @killerthrillerr @marigold1154 @tajjackson3
I’m pissed they apparently cut the bit out where Wade’s mum is annoyed that Michael hasn’t paid for their accommodation in USA or provided a car to pick them up. Entitled, 25+ years later. I wish they kept that bit in.







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@ikerina
John Branca about Wade in his deposition: "I didn't have obligation to send him email we're hiring Jamie King to direct or Rich and Tone to be the choreographers. I don't need to embarrass Wade by telling him he wasn't good enough"






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Verified account @Zigmanfreud
This will be interesting... I just did 1st in-person interview since #LeavingNeveland with Michael Jackson’s niece @BJackson82 who dated Wade Robson through his entire teenage years. She explained why she knows he is NOT telling the truth. Interview will be released over weekend
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Michael Jackson’s gift of a friendship ring – The Truth.
March 8, 2019 By Admin Team

In light of the recent discussions regarding ‘Leaving Neverland’ and the ridiculous claims from Safechuck that Jackson ‘gave him jewelry and exchanged ‘marriage vows’ with him’, it reminded me of a chance encounter I had with a lady who knew Michael and the Jackson family when I was outside the Jackson family home in July 2009, a few days before Jackson’s public memorial in Los Angeles. I went back to my journal from the trip to find what I’d written about that day and the details of that encounter.
There was a lot happening outside the home with numerous media tents and tributes everywhere. As I can recall, there were maybe 200-300 fans gathered along the road and grassy areas either side of the main residence. The tributes took up the flower beds and trees on the left of the main gates.
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There were pockets of people everywhere and I’d noticed a woman with long curly hair and really (really) long painted red nails. She was standing next to a guy who was flicking through a photo album and she was pointing things out inside. She was extremely animated and almost jumping up and down saying something to this guy, so I motioned to two of my friends and we went over to get a closer inspection of what’s going on.


We apologised for interrupting her and asked her if she ‘knew’ Michael as from what we could gather from her overhearing, it sounded like she did. She confirmed she did. We asked her how and she took the photo album off of the guy she’d be talking to.


She handed me the photo album and I began flicking through – the majority of her pictures were with Jackie Jackson who she described as ‘sexy’ and her ‘favourite’. There were pictures of her with Marlon, with Jermaine, with Rebbie and of course with Michael. But mostly Jackie. I asked her how she knew the family and she told me she lived on their neighbourhood growing up and they’d all been friends.


On one visit back, in between the Jackson family leaving Gary and moving to Los Angeles, the lady (just a young girl at the time) went over to see her friends (the Jacksons) before they left home, she recalls a young Michael being extremely excited and saying:


“We gotta pool, we gotta basketball court, we gotta garden now – You have to come over!”


Sure enough when the Jacksons were finally settled in Los Angeles, she came over to play. She recalled that it was like nothing she’d ever seen and for people ‘like her’, it was beyond what she could ever have imagined. She and the other friends who had been invited over, stayed the weekend.


When it was time to go, she cried and said to Michael that she thought that if he became ‘really famous’ she might never see him again.


He took one of the small metal forks from the barbecue into the house and bent it as best he could into the shape of a ring. He then wrote on a piece of paper, a small note that explained that this was a friendship ring and as long as she kept it, he promised they’d be friends forever.


He handed it to her and said that he promised her with that ring that she would always be welcome to his house or any of his concerts, for as long as they lived and all she had to do was show the friendship ring.


True to form, her photo album had pictures of her at numerous Jacksons’ concerts in the U.S and the Bad Tour along with pictures of her with Michael at his home. In each one she was with the ‘ring’. There was also a picture in the album of another lady, with a ring also. She explained that they’d met backstage at one of the tours and Michael had gifted this lady a friendship ring and a promise too.


“I thought I was special!” she said, but laughing, to us. “But her ring isn’t like mine!”


Sure enough, she stayed in touch with Michael until around 2004 early 2005 when she said his life became so chaotic for obvious reasons that he just wasn’t in the same headspace anymore. She only recalled one occasion her friendship ring didn’t gain her access when she tried to use it.


She also kept the ring and the note he gave her, a ‘vow’ that they’d be friends forever.

She mentioned that as he’d passed away, she’d love to replicate the ring as a symbol of Michael’s commitment to friendship, so that others would be able to enjoy its meaning – I’m guessing she never achieved this?!
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Myself on the far right and my two friends Mayah and Kim
With regards to Leaving Neverland, I’ve no idea where that jewelry came from. I do not, for a second believe it was given in the context that they claim it was. But all the discussions about ‘rings’ and ‘vows’ reminded me of this story and I hope it can help shed light and context on Michael’s giving of jewelry and notes to his friends.

As a final side note – If anybody knows the lady, I’d very much like to connect with her again, so if you do know her, please get in touch.

Pez Jax

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Verified account @piersmorgan
The debate about truth is never pointless. The Jackson documentary makes very serious allegations. Those making them previously said the complete opposite & are now suing his estate for 100s of millions. The allegations should be properly challenged/investigated. Truth matters.






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"He groomed an entire culture", except for the LAPD, the FBI, the Santa Barbara Sheriff's Dept - all of whom did all they could to bring him down - oh and pretty much the entire world's media who lapped up & believed each new salacious allegation. But apart from that





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I have never seen such a large number of imbeciles in my life. The FBI conducted a 13 year investigation on Michael Jackson and found nothing. Not the NYPD and not the LAPD. These people found Saddam Hussein in a hole for Christ’s sake. The man is innocent.






Pez Jax‏ @Pezjax
Now remember folks, "this isn't about money" according to Dan Reed - But, if you'd like to get a copy of his paedo-fantasy film on DVD, so you can watch it again & again (because there's clearly something wrong with you) it's on Amazon - But remember, "this isn't about money"
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Verified account @tjjackson
This is the Michael Jackson the press is trying to erase. They want to push a bad image of him but just know his heart was gold. He gave to EVERYONE. They spun a “grooming” theme but it’s called empathy and caring for EVERYONE.
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Keya Morgan‏ @KeyaMorgan
Keya Morgan Retweeted Jonny Kingham
Get your sick mind out of the gutter. Michael Jackson's bedroom was 3000 square feet, 4 beds and 4 bathrooms. Larger than a house. And many kids with aids, cancer & thier families would sleep there. He was never alone naked in bed with a child. Ever.







@killerthrillerr
Just letting you know that they cut 45 minutes out of the UK version of Leaving Neverland that aired there. You didn't see the part there that @tajjackson3 tweeted about, about the meal, you don't see him burning memorabilia etc etc. it's all cut out. Watch them cut out more soon


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Leaving Neverland Facts Retweeted Lisaa
If this is true and @HBO's own partner doesn't have confidence in the final cut of #LeavingNeverland it speaks volumes about what audiences saw in the U.S. and is tantamount to an admission that the movie was problematic. HBO needs to address this.






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'One on one' interview with Taj Jackson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jzyzlvl ... 8JtHzJRyFw

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andjustice4some‏ @andjustice4some
Brandi interview: ABC and Good Morning America cancelled interviews with her with short notice. Shady excuses.








Dr. Andrew Greene‏ @AndrewGreene864
At this point I am so convinced that most the Media is so racist and anti-#MichaelJackson, that #JordanChandler and #GavinArvizo could publicly come out tomorrow and finally tell the truth about what their parent(s) made them do and not ONE apology be given to MJ or his family!





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Charles Thomson interview - must watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBf5LGDm7dc






Verified account @CaseyRain
Casey Rain (aka S-Endz) Retweeted John Ziegler
Explosive. Joy Robson had the audacity to phone Brandi Jackson after MJ passed and said his kids should be with HER and not with the Jackson family???!!!! Why? Well, guardians would be entitled to money from the Estate, of course.






hey look its‏ @DirtyDamfino
But hang on. Joy “Joe” Robson literally told Brandi that the kids were better off with her than with Katherine, and That Michael didn’t want the kids with Katherine???






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andjustice4some‏ @andjustice4some
Brandi: She never told Michael what Wade did to her. (cheating) Because they had a business relationship. Michael asked her a lot, is he treating you well? Is he opening doors for you? Because if not, she should put him in his place or tell him (Michael).






Ivy‏ @Ivy_4MJ
Hey @piersmorgan , can you please ask @danreed1000 how much Wade Robson & James Safechuck are getting paid for licensing their childhood photos and videos to use in documentary? Isn't @danreed1000 lying when he claims Wade and James have no financial interest in the documentary?






andjustice4some‏ @andjustice4some
Brandi: On Joy, Brandi doesn't think that Joy believes Wade. She was around with MJ and Wade, but she was very much involved, and would not allow to Wade to be alone. Joy was enamored with MJ, in love with him, and thought MJ had a crush on her.







andjustice4some‏ @andjustice4some
Brandi: Wade and she were very close, Wade never gave any indication that he had been sexually abused. Ziegler: In most cases, child sexual abuse breaks sexual confidence, but the fact that Wade must have had confidence to break up Britney/Justin doesn't match up with csa.

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Icon, Unfiltered: Stephanie Mills Talks Michael Jackson, R. Kelly, and Why the Music Industry Doesn't Honor Black Artists
Today 3:47pmFiled to: STEPHANIE MILLS
From an interview of singer, Stephanie Mills:

TR: You used date Michael Jackson in the early ‘80s. I’m sure you’ve heard of HBO’s Leaving Neverland documentary; did you watch it?

SM: I’m familiar with it but I won’t be watching it because he didn’t do the things—they said he was already clear. He went to court. So why are they doing it? It’s purely to make money. So, I will not be watching it, because I don’t believe any of that is true. I know for a fact that it’s not true.

https://thegrapevine.theroot.com/ico...son-1833177760




NME reporting Taj has that rebuttal documentary in the pipeline.

https://www.nme.com/news/music/micha...ry-2459656/amp





A story from the old age.
MYTH: The FBI file reveals that Jackson was investigated in 1985 for molesting two Mexican boys.

FACT: An FBI officer recorded an allegation that the bureau had previously investigated Jackson in 1985 for the molestation of two Mexican boys. This allegation was made by an unnamed writer who said the story had been told to him during research for a book. The FBI searched its records and could find no evidence that any such allegation had ever been reported to them .. but the majority of media outlets failed to mention this important fact. A simple oversight, I'm sure...

http://charlesthomsonjournalist.blog...innocence.html

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Pez Jax‏ @Pezjax
On my train last night, a woman in the seat behind me was talking about LN on the phone & said “He was always around little boys and ” I leant over the back of the seat and said “really?” & showed her this - we ended up sitting together & I explained the facts to her.
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Keya Morgan‏ @KeyaMorgan
Why does the dishonest media not mention Michael Jackson sued writer Victor Gutierrez for slander and won $2.7 million dollars. Victor had claimed MJ had sex with a boy, but the court ruling found it was a pure malicious lie.

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Brenda Harvey Richie Retweeted Bernadette McMenamin
Michael was into Women. Michael was my daughter’s Godfather since she was 2!And as everyone knows she speaks her mind as she has said. ENOUGH OF YOUR LIES. !Now you will be BLOCKED
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Leaving Neverland Facts‏ @NeverlandFacts
Houston choreographer Shawn Welling, a friend of Wade Robson's. In an interview w/Fox26: "He told me without a doubt nothing ever happened between him and Michael. This in closed doors Didn't ask him. He shared that with me."

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Verified account @tajjackson3
Dear media.
Please stop ignoring our side….My cousin Brandi DATED Wade R. for over 7 years. All during the crucial time period where Wade claims he was being molested by my uncle “hundreds of times”. Please be fair and cover this story too.






RazörFist‏ @RAZ0RFIST
Replying to @nathanjones4 @finalfightguy and 3 others
It's the same in both versions:
Michael Jackson was a time traveler who was able to jungle a kid at an awards show he never performed at, in a city it wasn't being held in... then honeymooned with him at a Euro Disney park that wasn't build for another 5 years.




https://www.fox5vegas.com/news/despite- ... user-share







angie huff‏ @huff_angie
They removed Wade burning his Jackson items because Juliens Auction house proved he sold them in 2011 but is burning them now?? They removed the “meal” as Taj Jackson who was there proved the timeline that to be false. They removed Amanda’s statement about not understanding CSA.








Kelly Lofthouse‏ @roppasuky
Omg another lie!! James Safechuck said in 1987 he spent thanksgiving at home with MJ. MJ WAS IN AUSTRALIA DOING THE BAD TOUR
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Ken Horlor‏ @KHorlor
Replying to @MrTroy_ @andjustice4some and 2 others
Watched Joanna Lumley's Silk Road then Neverland on +1. Well, what a load of tripe. They're obviously lying. These men are looking for a payout after their careers stalled (thru lack of talent no doubt). To think this replaced Victoria! TVNZ, you morons.







Verified account @GayAtHomeDad
I truly care about all of you and your opinions, but I think “Leaving Neverland” was a big lie.







Ryan Michaels‏ @ReasonBound
Michael, you’re on trial for serious charges. The overzealous prosecution has essentially handed us victory so we should play it extra safe. Who do you want as your first defense witness?
Michael: “Wade, raped him for 7 years. Put him under questioning.”
Sure.






Dom‏ @Dom10155252
Dom Retweeted constance mjackson
the biggest radio station in Athens is publicly going against the documentary #leavingneverland and it's effort to bring down Michael's legacy, by playing throughout the weekend one of his songs every hour






Underd0g‏ @DoceDeleiteFoto
Replying to @TheMJAP
He changed his mind, then?
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The Michael Jackson Rebuttal by Razorfist
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... 7jh2sqIlpX






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Brian M. Mabry (Swain)‏ @brianmmabry
#HarveyWeinstein is on trial today. His friend #Oprah is pushing #LeavingNeverland VERY hard to keep you from knowing what he's on trial for. Pass it along and support REAL survivors!







Emily Venuti‏ @emmyv77
Someone tell me:
-how jimmy was abused after the 1989 Grammys
-how he “honeymooned” in eurodisney before it opened
-how wade burned a jacket he doesn’t have
-how safechucks mom knew he was abused before she was told
Let’s just START there.

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MJJLegion ♕‏ @MJJLegion
Immediately after #LeavingNeverland aired on TV, @Billboard were quick to report on their website and Twitter that Michael Jackson’s album sales and streams decreased as a result.
They have now quietly added an update admitting that the complete OPPOSITE actually occurred.








RazörFist‏ @RAZ0RFIST
Spectacular breakdown of how Safechuck copied his claims from the long-discredited Gutierrez book.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qb5UVMwTC5g








Damien Shields‏ @damienshields
Investigative journalist & Michael Jackson expert @CEThomson has done it again! This time in an incredible Aussie radio interview with Triple M: https://omny.fm/shows/kofm-breakfast/mi ... -charles-t …
Charles lays out the facts re the 1993/4 settlement, 2005 trial and #LeavingNeverland film & civil suit.

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Pez Jax‏ @Pezjax
Now it’s been revealed that the U.K. version of Leaving Neverland was notably shorter than the U.S version as Dan Reed has been hacking out scenes with claims that are being proven false - where are all those hollering voices that claimed it was ‘accurate’ and ‘truthful’?!

Had Dan bothered to conduct his research before making his paedo-fantasy piece based on the Victor Gutierrez book, he wouldn’t need to make cuts...he wouldn’t have needed to make the film at all!






Hevynly‏ @Hevynly
So, Wade "Uncle Pervy" Robson also had sex with an underage girl (as per Brandi Jackson) and when confronted on the matter he did not deny it. Who's the pedo again?? Someone needs to investigate him!







KerryWard‏ @FallAgainMJ
And here's Oprah with Brazilian Faith Healer John Of God, who has recently been indicted for sexual assault against 300 women...Oprah sure has some "rapey" buddies
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Keya Morgan‏ @KeyaMorgan
Why does the dishonest media not mention Michael Jackson sued writer Victor Gutierrez for slander and won $2.7 million dollars. Victor had claimed MJ had sex with a boy, but the court ruling found it was a pure malicious lie.
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LaVelle Smith Jr.‏ @lavellesmithjr
Facts don't lie. People do.
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RazörFist‏ @RAZ0RFIST
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Wrong.
CA's evidence code was changed after the '94 settlement to allow 1108 evidence. Meaning 'evidence from previous cases'.
In short: The Jury from 2005 WERE presented the '93 evidence as well. They tried 2 cases at once.
Which is unconstitutional.
They acquitted him anyway.





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Verified account @scottisbell_
Media and Lies killed Michael Jackson. For our world to drive out the most kind and giving individual to ever walk the face of this Earth, Mike deserved better.
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Keya Morgan‏ @KeyaMorgan
Keya Morgan Retweeted WikiLeaks
WikiLeaks just released the Michael Jackson FBI files that were once top-secret. #MJ was investigated from 1992-2009 by FBI, 17 years. Not one bad act, but many reports of people trying to extort money from him.
https://vault.fbi.gov/Michael%20Jackson






MJJCommunity‏ @MJJCommunity
MJJCommunity Retweeted H&M Customer Service
Boycott H&M

Verified account @hm_custserv
Replying to @RedRidingHoodAE
We understand the sensitive nature of the recent coverage on Michael Jackson and have therefore decided to remove this product from store and online.







After seeing a photograph of Michael and TJ (TJ didn't have a top on) for a photo shoot.

London Pentaholic‏ @PentaholicLDN
Michael Lee Bush pitting another nail into the dan reed1000 coffin

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Toni Arias‏ @xtarlight
#LeavingNeverland is a massive flop of ratings in Spain. It doesn't even appear in the Top 20 of the Pay TV charts. The last program of the list is a Big Bang Theory episode with 59.000 viewers and a 0.5% of share. LN has to be way below those numbers





Verified account @Zigmanfreud
John Ziegler Retweeted MJFactual
This is some bad acting by the mom of Jim Safechuck. Not to mention Jackson died in the afternoon in LA (where she lives). Why is she supposedly in bed? Why is a Safechuck cousin who also spent time with Jackson tweeting in 2013 that the allegations are total BS?








Charles Thomson‏ @CEThomson
They threw absolutely everything they had at it. Free advertising in the press every single day for a month. Incendiary, sensationalised stories and headlines every day. And it got less viewers than a late night repeat of Mrs Brown’s Boys typically gets.








Soheyla‏ @Soh3yla
Just one of lies from #LeavingNeverland.
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John Ziegler: 'Leaving Neverland' Documentary Has Serious Issues
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoHWAOw ... -fN8E0cKBo

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Leaving Neverland Facts‏ @NeverlandFacts
Aaron Carter Says He Wants to Punch Wade Robson Over Michael Jackson Claims


Aaron Carter
I'd Love to Punch Wade Robson's Face
Why Switch Up Now, Bro

2:15 PM PT -- Wade's attorney says the tweet that has Aaron so pissed off ... did NOT come from Wade. His lawyer tells us the Twitter account was a fake, and adds Wade has been targeted by "several fraudulent postings and hackings" since 'Neverland' aired.



Aaron Carter wants to fist fight Wade Robson for the allegations he's making about Michael Jackson in "Leaving Neverland."

Aaron was on "TMZ Live" Monday to defend MJ's legacy. Aside from the accusations Wade made in the documentary -- which Aaron passionately believes to be false -- he's pissed about a tweet that he says dragged him into the conversation.

It came from an account purportedly belonging to Wade and strongly implies Aaron was either molested by MJ, or knew he was abusing other children.
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Aaron says nothing could be further from the truth when it comes to his own personal experience with Michael.

The two of them used to hang out quite a bit back in the day when Aaron was a teen.
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Aaron tells us he too has slept in Michael's bedroom, but assures us nothing inappropriate ever happened. He feels the 'Neverland' accusers are lying -- especially Wade -- because they had every opportunity to come forward while Michael was alive, but didn't.

In fact, both Wade and James Safechuck have previously denied Michael Jackson abused them as youngsters. Wade continued to support Michael well into adulthood as well, even testifying on his behalf in MJ's 2005 criminal case.

As Aaron puts it, they're stomping on an icon's grave ... who doesn't have a chance to defend himself now.







Lisa Croft‏ @LisaCroft
A Harvard Psychiatrist opines on our biases influencing our perception with regards to Leaving Neverland. Interesting that publications refused to publish it for fear of being seen as "victim blaming"

https://medium.com/@drsrini/how-your-ju ... 9ceb3d4f46
How Your Judgment Can Be Skewed About The Michael Jackson Documentary

Dr. Srini Pillay
Know about your potential cognitive biases when you evaluate anything
I had real trouble submitting this perspective to other prominent news outlets. Although some were interested in the content, they wanted to ensure that this did not come across as “victim blaming.” The amount of padding necessary just strengthened my point of view. If news outlets are afraid of the backlash against an opinion, then only “politically correct” opinions are publishable. That just increases the likelihood of biases I’d like to point out, especially if you are evaluating a distinctly one-sided documentary.

Let me first point out: I don’t know what Michael Jackson actually did. And I am not blaming the alleged victims. That’s for a court of law to decide. That’s why they have them. When one friend opined, “Come on! It’s just a creepy situation and my gut feeling is that he probably did it”, I responded by explaining that these supposed strong gut feelings may indicate the truth. Or they may indicate a prejudice, since that is exactly what prejudice is. “Strong gut feelings” do not prove validity.
I am against child abuse. And I am also against people ignoring their own prejudices. When you watch the Michael Jackson documentary, you might be tempted to weigh in based on your “gut reaction.” But before you do, recognize that this is exactly what prejudice is.

The bias against blacks: If you think that Michael Jackson being black has nothing to do with your opinion, think again. There is considerable evidence of racism in the criminal justice system. And in 2016, sociology professor Calvin John Smiley and doctoral candidate David Fakunle explained that Americans falsely and widely associate criminality with Black people. In fact, this is especially true of “posthumous demonization and criminalization”, where black men are at increased risk of racial bias against them, especially after they die.
For those looking for overt examples of racism, you might notice that the white alleged victims are the only people with a voice or perspective in the documentary. The alleged black perpetrator not only has no voice, but is dead. In an eloquent piece in The Hill, Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz described the legal injustice behind posthumous defamation. But it’s not just the overt racism I caution you against. It’s our hidden racism that we cannot see, yet implement in our decisions.
Those of you who work with children or who have children may feel especially moved by the horrific depictions of Jackson’s allegations. That’s understandable. Whether these stories are true or not, it’s worth noting that , in 2018, social research professor Naomi Priest and her colleagues indicated that these negative biases against black people can specifically occur in people who work with children. So, people who work with children, and perhaps those who have children, will understandably also be subjected to this subtle mental manipulation and bias.
The bias against creativity: Did you know that we are also two-faced about creativity? As much as we think we love creativity, in 2010, social psychologist Jennifer Mueller and her colleagues found that we actually unconsciously associate creativity with words like “vomit”, “agony” and “poison.” Many would substantiate their views by associating Jackson’s creativity with “being sick”. We should probably be aware of this notable addition to our list of biases.

As much as we might want to believe that we are not prejudiced, we are. And some other more disturbing prejudices might also pertain to Michael Jackson.
The bias against successful people: For instance, did you know that we are all wired to want to see people of status fall from grace? And this propensity, called schadenfreude, is higher in real life situations than in hypothetical scenarios. In 2014, psychologist Simone G. Shamay-Tsoory and her colleagues reported that even children as young as 24-months old display schadenfreude. Michael Jackson was a superstar. We need to examine these prejudices within ourselves as well.

The memory bias: Then there is the question of whether you can believe or blame the alleged victims. In reality, both are quite difficult. Memory is notoriously unreliable, or at least debatable. On the one hand, they are certified perjurers, so you may be inclined to believe that they are staging a show. On the other hand, many studies have demonstrated that when people are traumatized, they produce more false memories unintentionally.
And numerous other studies have shown that we are all capable of false memories. In fact, when we remember falsely, we may have an abnormal sense of certainty too.

This collection of biases is a quadruple threat to our judgment. Racial, creativity, fame, and memory biases are real in all of us. Nobody can say what truly happened in the Michael Jackson case, not only because we don’t actually know. But because these biases add to the dilemma of how to make a judgment from afar.

Should our sympathies be for the alleged victims or alleged perpetrators? Or should they be for our somewhat dubious human selves prone to biases as we are, and unable to discern the truth?






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The rebuttal to Leaving Neverland has been watched more than 1.27M times w/out any budget or media promotion.
LN spent untold $ mass promoting since Jan. Oprah, social media, print, radio... Yet less than 0.93M watched both parts in the USA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgSbSotJgUY …







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Aaron @aaroncarter says he's been offered six figures since the documentary aired to trash Michael Jackson. He's turned them all down. That's why he finds it hard to believe they haven't been paid for any of their media appearances.

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Watched "Leaving Neverland" last night. Whatever you think really happened, it's impossible to deny that documentary was made to appeal to women. The "honeymoon phase" and "other woman" narratives engineered around MJ's alleged boy lovers. Does Part 2 contain any actual evidence?

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That language was culled from Gutierrez's book 'Michael Jackson Was My Lover'. Doubly creepy in that it was written not to bash MJ, but lionize him as a pedo hero.
MJ was horrified, sued, and won.
'Honeymoons', 'weddings'. Leaving Neverland is, insidiously, a PRO-pedophilia film.




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WADE ROBSON DONT DRAG MY NAME INTO SHIT!!! YOU DONT WANT THIS KEEP MY NAME OUT OF YOUR MOUTH YOU STARTED THIS SHIT







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I have NOTHING to do with the estate, I make NO money off of Michael or his legacy. I’m speaking because the truth needs to be told. Miss me with that “estate” bullshit. This goes to you and anyone else who thinks I’m “protecting my pockets”.








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Safechuck you say you never saw MJ again after you hit puberty.. Man, you hit puberty late.. you are 17 in this picture (1995)
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Ok “Wades attorney.” Let’s see if that’s true. Defamation of character is being put on me you better hope wade isn’t attached to that account. MY ATTORNEYS HAVE A MASSIVE RETAINER. so let’s get to the bottom of this. WADE. With your whack ass contingent Attorneys.
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Welcome to the Salem Witch Trials 2019 - where the age old tradition of pointing at a person, making an accusation & then burning them at the stake has become popular once again! This is not about ‘truth’, this is about taking out Michael Jackson because you don’t like him!







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The media refuse to stop & discuss the credibility of LN or acknowledge the countless errors we, the fans, continue to point out. Instead they’re moving from “watch the film” to “mute the music” in true dictatorship fashion. They don’t want a discussion. They want faux outrage.





http://www.mix1023.com.au/shows/jodie-s ... e-blanket/
Wade Robson’s Mum Wanted Michael Jackson’s Children: Brandi
Brandi Jackson – niece of Michael Jackson and long-time partner of Michael’s ‘Leaving Neverland’ accuser Wade Robson – claims to have received a bizarre phone call from Wade’s mother not long after Michael passed away.

Speaking exclusively to Jodie and Soda on Mix102.3 breakfast on Tuesday morning (hear the audio above), Brandi recounted the conversation with Joy Robson, who also featured in Leaving Neverland, in which her son, Wade, graphically alleged he had been sexually abused as a child by michael jackson.

MORE: Hear Jodie and Soda’s exclusive interview with Brandi Jackson

Joy moved Wade and daughter Chantal from Brisbane to Los Angeles after Wade had won a dance contest sponsored by Jackson’s tour company that included meeting Michael. Her third child and husband Dennis were left behind in Australia.
Joy reportedly went to great lengths to keep her son part of the King of Pop’s inner circle, accepting material things from Jackson. She said of meeting him: "I remember getting this glow that sort of started in my heart and went to all my extremities. It was an amazing feeling, when something magical was going to happen."

Brandi Jackson said she believes that the phone call she received not long after Michael’s passing was Joy’s last-ditch attempt to try to maintain a connection with Michael.

Brandi and Wade had split about eight years prior to Michael’s passing.


“In 2009, shortly after Michael passed, Wade’s mother called me and she told me that she missed me and that Wade missed me and we should really get together,” Brandi said.

“Then she started to change the subject and ask me about (Michael’s children) Paris, Prince and Blanket and asking me to put them together.

“Then she started to explain to me that they belong with her and her family, and they belong with the Robsons.
“This was something very shocking to me to hear her say. She felt like Michael wouldn’t want them with his mother, that they should be with the Robsons because they were close.

“And when she said that I told her they were right where they were supposed to be. Paris, Prince and Blanket were with their family and their grandmother.”
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Jodie replied by asking Brandi why Joy had thought the children may not be safe with Michael’s mother.

Brandi’s response painted a picture of Joy being desperate to find a way to stay close to the Jacksons.

“She was trying to figure out how to position herself to stay in their lives to be completely honest. That would’ve been the last attachment that they had to something of Michael.”

Jodie and Soda’s exclusive and wide-ranging interview with Brandi on Tuesday morning covered how Brandi and Wade met, the intimate nature of their relationship, allegations of cheating with Brittany Spears, why she believes Wade would lie about being sexually abused by Michael and Brandi’s thoughts on Michael’s nature.







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Since Leaving Neverland's debut on March 3 (US):
MJ's YouTube gained 135,000 subs & 1M views.
MJ's music sales increased 10%.
MJ's music streams increased 6%.
MJ's Essential is #19 on iTunes; Number Ones #25, Thriller #37, OTW #62, Bad #86, HIStory #92
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The secret room was tabloid fiction. He did have a secret fireplace door that producer Teddy Riley described in an interview, but he used it for pranks.
https://youtu.be/u4zfoAviNuo
The alarm, to my understanding, was installed after a prowler broke in and hid in his closet.








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@RAZ0RFIST hey man, there's this vermin called Michael Jacobshagen in Germany. Known for selling fake MJ autographs and being arrested for it. Always stood up for MJ, now claiming he was abused. You planning on covering or maybe adding this to part 3? Unbelievable.

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German Media exposed him EONS ago. Not even the hate sites list him as a credible accuser. There's a reason for that.






https://detroit.cbslocal.com/2019/03/06 ... l-jackson/

Motown Museum Committed To Remembering Michael Jackson
DETROIT (CBS Detroit/ AP) – Since the release of the latest documentary on Michael Jackson, museums across the country have been removing memorabilia due to criticism due to alleged child abuse, but some continue to remember him.
The Motown Museum in Detroit and the National Museum of African American Music in Nashville both have said they aren’t removing Jackson from their museums.
Robin Terry, chairwoman, and CEO of Motown Museum says their mission as a history museum is to share the stories and artifacts of the history of Motown and “Michael Jackson’s musical contributions remain part of the Motown story.”
The National Museum of African American Music said Jackson would be included in an exhibit when the museum opens in downtown Nashville early 2020. The museum has previously released renderings of the building’s design, which feature an image of Jackson on the exterior.

The Motown Museum in Detroit and the National Museum of African American Music in Nashville both have said they aren’t removing Jackson from their museums.
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Robin Terry, chairwoman, and CEO of Motown Museum says their mission as a history museum is to share the stories and artifacts of the history of Motown and “Michael Jackson’s musical contributions remain part of the Motown story.”
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The National Museum of African American Music said Jackson would be included in an exhibit when the museum opens in downtown Nashville early 2020. The museum has previously released renderings of the building’s design, which feature an image of Jackson on the exterior.




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All evidence collected by the FBI in their investigation of MJ.
All claims of illegal 'porn', bondage, etc. circulated even by many mainstream reporters, are fabrications, based on a retracted tabloid article by Radar Online in 2016.
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Michael Jackson's friend Aaron Carter lets rip at Wade Robson and James Safechuck over molestation accusations aimed at late singer in Leaving Neverland

By Adam S. Levy For Dailymail.com

Published: 23:07 GMT, 11 March 2019
Aaron Carter is in Michael Jackson's camp amid the ongoing controversy swirling around the HBO documentary Leaving Neverland, which presents the accounts of two men who say the late King of Pop sexually molested them when they were children.

The 31-year-old singer, who was friends with Jackson, told TMZ on Monday that he was upset with both the way Jackson was depicted in Leaving Neverland, as well as a hoax social media exchange that implied he had knowledge of Jackson's alleged misdeeds.

The Tampa, Florida native told the outlet that he feels that the accusers, Wade Robson and James Safechuck, are financially motivated in speaking out against the Beat It singer nearly 10 years after his death.
The Sooner or Later singer, who says he 'really idolized Michael,' questioned the timing of the claims made by Robson and Safechuck, adding that both had previously testified on his behalf in legal proceedings.


'You're a grown man, and when Michael Jackson was alive, you are backing him, you are up his a**, you are kissing his a**, you are there to testify for him under oath, and then when he dies, you decide that's a good time to come out?
'No, what you're doing is, you're actually stomping on an icon and a legend's grave - you're stomping his grave.'

Carter said that the time for Robson and Safechuck to speak up should have been around the time of Jackson's 2005 trial on molestation allegations.
'Why not do it when he was alive?' he said. 'Why not do it when he was being accused of all of these molestation charges. Why not do it then and actually indict a perpetrator?'

Carter cited his own personal experiences with the singer when he was 15 to back up his view that Jackson did not molest Robson and Safechuck when they were boys.

'I remember having the time of my life with Michael, I was about 15 years old,' he said. I hung out with Michael Jackson, I stayed at his house, I stayed in his bedroom ... it's hard for me to understand that - how am I supposed to understand that when my own personal experience with him was gentle and beautiful and loving and embracing.'

The Saturday Night artist told the outlet Jackson gave him professional advice, and that they shared the same vocal coach in Seth Riggs.
The I Want Candy singer also referenced a tweet that was sent from an account pretending to be Robson - his lawyer has denied it, and the account has since been taken offline - that implicated Carter had knowledge about the situation he had not revealed.

'He's trying to tie my name into this s***? I'm not that guy. I'm not the one. You lucky I got something to lose now, because I would punch you in your face - I would,' he said. 'And then maybe I'd ask you, "Are you telling the truth?" but I'd punch you in your face first.'

Robson's lawyer subsequently told TMZ Robson had nothing to do with the tweet, which was from a 'fake account;' and that he's been the victim of 'several fraudulent postings and hackings' in the wake of the documentary.

Carter in 2004 told People that he and Jackson had been friends since 2001, and that Jackson never behaved inappropriately with him: 'Nothing happened between me and Michael. We didn’t sleep in the same room, we didn’t share a bed. We have a normal friendship. There’s nothing sexual to it.'

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